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		<title>By: Thai males at internet cafes - Page 3 - TeakDoor.com - The Thailand Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thai males at internet cafes - Page 3 - TeakDoor.com - The Thailand Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally Posted by bkkandrew  ^Er, why?    New laws apparently.  Confirmed here. They did it : law requires companies to store all Internet datas for 90 days « Thailand Crisis [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hoktula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoktula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one observation

recently (perhaps a week ago) I was in some mall and needed to check my e-mail urgently. so, I found  internet cafe in there and to my shock, was asked to produce some ID document or passport.
this is a very big news for me since NEVER before I was asked any such thing in so many internet cafes here in Thailand - but the girl who was a manager/ cashier in that internet cafe has told me that it is some new law....

well, here we go - now to be able to check your e-mail you must provide ID which will be put on file, along with the time you have used internet in that particular spot.

I wonder though - does that rule apply to ALL customers, or do they only try to be so rigid with foreigners? the same as it seems - they are too zealous to check bags of foreigners in subway, as if they truly believe that it is the foreigners who are the main threat (of potential bomb attacks  - as on New year 20007). ridiculous paranoia !</description>
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<p>recently (perhaps a week ago) I was in some mall and needed to check my e-mail urgently. so, I found  internet cafe in there and to my shock, was asked to produce some ID document or passport.<br />
this is a very big news for me since NEVER before I was asked any such thing in so many internet cafes here in Thailand &#8211; but the girl who was a manager/ cashier in that internet cafe has told me that it is some new law&#8230;.</p>
<p>well, here we go &#8211; now to be able to check your e-mail you must provide ID which will be put on file, along with the time you have used internet in that particular spot.</p>
<p>I wonder though &#8211; does that rule apply to ALL customers, or do they only try to be so rigid with foreigners? the same as it seems &#8211; they are too zealous to check bags of foreigners in subway, as if they truly believe that it is the foreigners who are the main threat (of potential bomb attacks  &#8211; as on New year 20007). ridiculous paranoia !</p>
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		<title>By: ThaiCrisis</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThaiCrisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-TG. Watch out, we are talking here about &quot;local&quot; log systems. No need bandwidth.

Basically, in front of a company&#039;s local network, there is a router/modem ADSL to share one internet access... This is the location to create a log system that will record and store (requirement of the law) all in and out traffic.

If the authorities &quot;think&quot; that a &quot;cyber crime&quot; have been commited in the company, they will just come and take the log system, in order to follow the lead until the end user in the company (the guy who sent the email with a porn picture, like we said).
;-)

Now if you say that this law is from a technical point of view, inapplicable... then I agree with you.

As I wrote before, the real problem is not really the law itselft (inapplicable, all the SMEs are going to ignore it)... the problem is  that it creates a new opportunity for pressure and corruption.

If authorities want to nail you, for whatever reasons, then they could use this law. And you could say nothing, even though all other companies do not respect it.

It creates further &lt;b&gt;uncertainty&lt;/b&gt;.

The corrupted, the thiefs, the thugs love the &lt;b&gt;fog of uncertainty&lt;/B&gt;.

It&#039;s good for their business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-TG. Watch out, we are talking here about &#8220;local&#8221; log systems. No need bandwidth.</p>
<p>Basically, in front of a company&#8217;s local network, there is a router/modem ADSL to share one internet access&#8230; This is the location to create a log system that will record and store (requirement of the law) all in and out traffic.</p>
<p>If the authorities &#8220;think&#8221; that a &#8220;cyber crime&#8221; have been commited in the company, they will just come and take the log system, in order to follow the lead until the end user in the company (the guy who sent the email with a porn picture, like we said).<br />
 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now if you say that this law is from a technical point of view, inapplicable&#8230; then I agree with you.</p>
<p>As I wrote before, the real problem is not really the law itselft (inapplicable, all the SMEs are going to ignore it)&#8230; the problem is  that it creates a new opportunity for pressure and corruption.</p>
<p>If authorities want to nail you, for whatever reasons, then they could use this law. And you could say nothing, even though all other companies do not respect it.</p>
<p>It creates further <b>uncertainty</b>.</p>
<p>The corrupted, the thiefs, the thugs love the <b>fog of uncertainty</b>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good for their business.</p>
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		<title>By: TG</title>
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		<dc:creator>TG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s one thing to collect data, but another to actually use it, or be capable of using it. I doubt that authorities here have adequate bandwidth in their offices let alone much capacity to deal with computer-related issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s one thing to collect data, but another to actually use it, or be capable of using it. I doubt that authorities here have adequate bandwidth in their offices let alone much capacity to deal with computer-related issues.</p>
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		<title>By: fall</title>
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		<dc:creator>fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;However, since its victory in december, the PPP didnâ€™t make any move to critizise this law.&lt;/i&gt;
They might or might not, but since no media give a coverage.  I am not giving the benefit of doubt on this case.  Co-consperitor is almost as bad as committing the crime itself.

&lt;i&gt;a simple porn picture sent by email to a friend&lt;/i&gt;
Dont you just love it when people forward porn email without deleting the whole chain of past forwarder?
Sometime you can actually see the full name and position of all those in the mail.

But you are right, this law is a walking monster.  If it is a monster without a definite scope/understanding/restriction, then dont let it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However, since its victory in december, the PPP didnâ€™t make any move to critizise this law.</i><br />
They might or might not, but since no media give a coverage.  I am not giving the benefit of doubt on this case.  Co-consperitor is almost as bad as committing the crime itself.</p>
<p><i>a simple porn picture sent by email to a friend</i><br />
Dont you just love it when people forward porn email without deleting the whole chain of past forwarder?<br />
Sometime you can actually see the full name and position of all those in the mail.</p>
<p>But you are right, this law is a walking monster.  If it is a monster without a definite scope/understanding/restriction, then dont let it out.</p>
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		<title>By: kv</title>
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		<dc:creator>kv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very very odd. Extremely. As that kind of logging is purely insane and almost impossible. It is possible but extremely dangerous. Just looking how big time ISP&#039;s have fought against such demands in Europe. Yes, now UK put in place even strickter loggings and EU is demanding all email headers and who sent to who information. But not to this day they have talked about this level of saving data. Unfortunatly it will go towards that in Europe too but Thailand? Come on, there isnt even such technology avaialble in country like Thailand when much more advanced ISP&#039;s and countries in Europe have had difficulties to save up information for these purposes. And come on, &quot;porno in chain emails&quot;? Are you kidding me? That they really would like to fucking CATCH AND SAVE EVERYONES EMAILS! WTF these clows are doing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very very odd. Extremely. As that kind of logging is purely insane and almost impossible. It is possible but extremely dangerous. Just looking how big time ISP&#8217;s have fought against such demands in Europe. Yes, now UK put in place even strickter loggings and EU is demanding all email headers and who sent to who information. But not to this day they have talked about this level of saving data. Unfortunatly it will go towards that in Europe too but Thailand? Come on, there isnt even such technology avaialble in country like Thailand when much more advanced ISP&#8217;s and countries in Europe have had difficulties to save up information for these purposes. And come on, &#8220;porno in chain emails&#8221;? Are you kidding me? That they really would like to fucking CATCH AND SAVE EVERYONES EMAILS! WTF these clows are doing!</p>
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		<title>By: ThaiCrisis</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThaiCrisis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-&gt; Fall.
I think it&#039;s fair to remember that the Junta created this law. And then, the NLA (the so called Parliament, created by the Junta) voted it.

The PPP is not the source.

However, since its victory in december, the PPP didn&#039;t make any move to critizise this law.

I think it&#039;s fair also to say that &quot;&lt;em&gt;potential for misuse&lt;/em&gt;&quot; is like an understatement. ;-)

This law is a walking monster as far as freedom and privacy are concerned.

It gives striking power to security services, without any balance.

Beyond the point of the logs... this law allows the police to come to your house, and seize your computer WITHOUT ANY WARRANT, on the simple assumption that proofs of &quot;cyber crimes&quot; (AKA a simple porn picture sent by email to a friend for instance) are on your hard disk...

This is well documented since june 2007... but no one cares. 

The logs issue is a good way -I hope- for people to talk again about this law, the whole law.

As Tom said, it&#039;s pure insanity.

The thai people, and the farangs (foreign companies) need to wake up and send a clear message to the thai authorities.

The Kingdom is not Burma, North Korea, nor China.

Or if it is, then it must be clearly stated by the authorities.

But enough of this thai janus hypocrisis with on one hand the smiles and the strong desire to be part of the modern world... and on the other hand such crazy piece of law that sends the country back in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-&gt; Fall.<br />
I think it&#8217;s fair to remember that the Junta created this law. And then, the NLA (the so called Parliament, created by the Junta) voted it.</p>
<p>The PPP is not the source.</p>
<p>However, since its victory in december, the PPP didn&#8217;t make any move to critizise this law.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fair also to say that &#8220;<em>potential for misuse</em>&#8221; is like an understatement. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This law is a walking monster as far as freedom and privacy are concerned.</p>
<p>It gives striking power to security services, without any balance.</p>
<p>Beyond the point of the logs&#8230; this law allows the police to come to your house, and seize your computer WITHOUT ANY WARRANT, on the simple assumption that proofs of &#8220;cyber crimes&#8221; (AKA a simple porn picture sent by email to a friend for instance) are on your hard disk&#8230;</p>
<p>This is well documented since june 2007&#8230; but no one cares. </p>
<p>The logs issue is a good way -I hope- for people to talk again about this law, the whole law.</p>
<p>As Tom said, it&#8217;s pure insanity.</p>
<p>The thai people, and the farangs (foreign companies) need to wake up and send a clear message to the thai authorities.</p>
<p>The Kingdom is not Burma, North Korea, nor China.</p>
<p>Or if it is, then it must be clearly stated by the authorities.</p>
<p>But enough of this thai janus hypocrisis with on one hand the smiles and the strong desire to be part of the modern world&#8230; and on the other hand such crazy piece of law that sends the country back in time.</p>
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		<title>By: fall</title>
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		<dc:creator>fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dem is pro this law anyway.
But shame on PPP government for passing this law.

The law might be interpret as beneficial if use strictly for fighting cyber crime, like identity, credit card, or fraud.  But the potential for misuse is too great.  If this law cannot be specifically limit it use, then it should not come out at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dem is pro this law anyway.<br />
But shame on PPP government for passing this law.</p>
<p>The law might be interpret as beneficial if use strictly for fighting cyber crime, like identity, credit card, or fraud.  But the potential for misuse is too great.  If this law cannot be specifically limit it use, then it should not come out at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bangkok Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bangkok Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One could always use GPRS on pre-paid phone and a VPN.</description>
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		<title>By: tom_bkk</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom_bkk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I dont mean the SME&#039;s in particular with that. 

What about the others? Imagine to create a log of all the sh..t which is going arround in universities ... and as well large enterprises.

It&#039;s pure insanity ... and I believe, almost now one will do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I dont mean the SME&#8217;s in particular with that. </p>
<p>What about the others? Imagine to create a log of all the sh..t which is going arround in universities &#8230; and as well large enterprises.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pure insanity &#8230; and I believe, almost now one will do it!</p>
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