Lese-majeste, quotes of the infamous speech : General Prem, Russia, royal family, guillotine

Okay. Here are some translated quotes of the infamous speech of Miss Duranee last week at anti-PAD rally.

She was arrested on lese-majeste charges tuesday. And wednesday an arrest warrant was issued against Sondhi (he has been granted bail thursday), PAD’s leaders, because -apparently- he quoted some parts or her speech.

An audio file (MP3) is available at this address (not created by me). It lasts 30 minutes.

http://www.mediafire.com/?x3cq0ymxwg9

I should add that several thai forums are talking about this file, and of course the content of the speech.

I’m sorry, the translation is certainly not a shakespearean one, nor an academic one. I did my best with a thai friend, very quickly.

I invite experts to complete this work and/or to correct me.

16 minutes
-Prem is an old ladyboy [general Prem, member of the Privy Council, thai word used without any doubt: “katoye”]

20 minutes
-PAD and Democrat Party are on the same side

21 minutes
-Before the kings in China believed in eunuch. This is why China and the kings were destroyed.

23 minutes
-the leader of the country [specific thai word for the king]… if you want to be a good leader… you have to be like in Japan or England.

28’30
-Or you want to be like Russia… the family of the king disappeared.

-Or you want to be like France… guillotine cuts the head [obvious reference to the french revolution and the deadly machine of Dr Guillotin…]

-Or you want to be like Nepal… people made revolution… the family of the king disappeared

End
-Since 2475 [thai year = 1932] we don’t have real democracy. Thailand can not be a real democracy because we have only one group. They want to keep the power. They don’t accept what people want.

-You don’t see us in your eyes… why we would see you in our eyes ? [meaning = why we would care about you]

EOF.

So there is little doubt that Miss Daranee is in a way… toasted.

Her speech is obviously very, very strong and bold, compare to other lese-majeste cases, like for instance Jakrapob.

And now I understand better the promptness of the authorities.

Anyway… I will follow up. If you have other have details, if you want to correct and/or complete the translated quotes… cthai2 (@) yahoo.com. Or in the comments section.

24 Responses to “Lese-majeste, quotes of the infamous speech : General Prem, Russia, royal family, guillotine”


  1. 1 absolutelybangkok 23 July 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Anybody has some more background on this Miss Daranee?

  2. 2 Steve Jobs 24 July 2008 at 3:04 am

    Well at least she has the guts to think different and I certainly praise her for that. Her pro-Thaksin stance though….

  3. 3 chinesethai 24 July 2008 at 3:07 am

    I heard from ASTV that she was a journalist for a newspaper long ago.

    Her role gained attention the first time when Nor-Por-Kor protesters tried to violently raid General Prem’s mansion. The protest was not very peaceful, thus killing a police officer. She was among the key speakers, including Jakrapob Penkair, attempting to instigate violence and look forward to a bloody crackdown by the army so that Thaksin would look like the champion of democracy. But the army did not fall into the trap.

    Recently, in a speech in another occasion, she obviously took Cambodian side in the Thai-Cambodian feud over Preah Vihear by citing that “even Panom Rung Temple in Buriram Province belongs to Cambodia because it was not built with Thai art”, which is a ridiculous logic and unacceptable to Thai people since there are tonnes of ancient Khom temples located in Thailand and Lao P.D.R. territories.

    It is interesting to note the following pattern about Pro-Thaksin group:
    1) Support extreme populist policies like spending spree and handouts
    2) Ready to trade national interests for Thaksin’s interests
    3) Anti-royalist
    4) Violent

    To all non-Thais who thought that Thaksin is the champion of Thai democracy, please check out this picture from an English newspaper. Not sure it was from the Nation or Bangkok Post.

    [img]http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3536/p35786140hd9.jpg[/img]

    In 1992, Thaksin was awarded a concession to operate countrywide telephone directory under a military dictatorship (Ror-Sor-Chor), which gives birth to Thaksin’s rise to immense wealth and following multi-billion baht monopolistic concessions, and later access to Thai politics. Standing beside him was the late General Sunthorn Kongsompong, Chairman of Ror-Sor-Chor.

  4. 4 chinesethai 24 July 2008 at 3:15 am

    I am not sure if Miss Daranee is a courageous woman to praise in terms of democratic idealism. In the infamous speech, she even openly said that a bloodshed and sacrifice of a few human lives are necessary for change. This is unacceptable. No democratic society would accept violence.

  5. 5 chinesethai 24 July 2008 at 6:23 am

    LATEST DEVELOPMENT:

    Sondhi was finally bailed since he did not show any intention of lese majeste. Unlike Sondhi, Ms Daranee’s notorious speech lasted for half an hour. And her “intention” was very clear.

  6. 6 fall 24 July 2008 at 2:26 pm

    In a country where a college professor got charge with lese majeste for asking student to discuss role of modern king and democracy in university exam, many website had taken down their link.
    Don’t forget the almighty ICT law, Thaicrisis.

    …when Nor-Por-Kor protesters tried to violently raid General Prem’s mansion. The protest was not very peaceful, thus killing a police officer.
    Huh? This seem like big news, why am I not aware of this?

  7. 7 ThaiCrisis 24 July 2008 at 2:56 pm

    -> Fall : I agree with you, I’m not aware of the dead of the policeman, during rallye in front of Prem’s house. I think Chinesethai made a mistake.

  8. 8 chinesethai 24 July 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Yes, I made mistake by getting mixed up with the other piece of news. My apology to Thaicrisis, who owns this blog. One police officer suffered injury in the brain. While several other officers were hit by a car.

    Anyway, a PAD member was killed and several other were seriously injured today in Udornthani when Nor-Por-Kor attacked PAD demonstration with knives, axes and bats.

    I am not a royalist but have begun to question why these Anti-Royalists failed to condemn the violence.

  9. 9 Chao Udorn 24 July 2008 at 4:18 pm

    No one was killed in Udorn in today’s clash (if you watch tv carefully) but it seems violence is spreading and this is what PAD wants so another military coup can be staged.

  10. 10 chinesethai 25 July 2008 at 12:56 am

    Chao Udorn:

    Check out the Nation.

    PAD supporter killed, 20 others in political violence in Udon Thani
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30078902

    I think both sides, PAD and Nor-Por-Kor, want another military coup but either one cannot materialize.

  11. 11 chinesethai 25 July 2008 at 8:37 am

    LATEST DEVELOPMENT:

    The victim who was reportedly killed has now waken up. She was hit severely and pretended to be dead so that the Nor Por Kor wouldn’t attack her anymore.

    Meanwhile, ……….

    Pro-government activist admits on TV he led protests to beat up PAD protesters in Udon Thani
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30078978

  12. 12 chinesethai 25 July 2008 at 10:35 am

    LATEST DEVELOPMENT (2)

    Kwanchai Praipana, Pro-Government(Pro-Thaksin) Activist Leader, was linked to the violence. In May, he made no secret that he is a Thaksin supporter! I’ll post audio file later.

    After PAD Udornthani was dispersed, Interior Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung called in and thanked the Pro-Thaksin activists, saying “Udornthani is now peaceful!”.

    Hopefully, those who still think of Thaksin as a champion of democracy will wake up to the reality.

  13. 13 fall 25 July 2008 at 3:11 pm

    PAD supporter killed, 20 others in political violence in Udon Thani
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30078902

    The Nation have the same standing policy on reporting breaking news as NTN…
    http://www.notthenation.com/pages/news/getnews.php?id=383

  14. 15 chinesethai 27 July 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Fall:

    Regardless of death tolls or injuries, do you think it was fine to instigate violence as long as PAD members suffered injuries?

  15. 16 chinesethai 27 July 2008 at 12:49 pm

    And why do the Government, anti-royalists, and its supporters always fail to condemn violence?

  16. 17 Japs 28 July 2008 at 2:30 am

    chinesthai —> Because sometimes violence is the only mean people have to instigate changes in people’s mind. Look at the south, they have been oppressed/persecuted for much of the last century and now they are using increasing violence to change what didn’t happen through peaceful means maybe one day they will succeed and follow the footsteps Kosovo took earlier this year.

    Most of the time as we look back in history, the downfall of a dictator or a bad system wasn’t very peaceful. People in Europe, in South/North America and other places changed the system using violent means so maybe these parties you talked about want changes so badly that they don’t see any other way to make such changes.

    In Thailand the problem is that apparently the system can’t be changed through peaceful means because when someone try to change the system a few people (the Thai elite) with vested interests will cut them short by accusing him/her of not being a good patriot, lese majeste, etc.

    It is sad but if you look back in Thai history that is what happened and will still happen as the system can’t be changed. As long as the Thai educational system will continue to only teach respect for the elite and Thai children learn without understanding peaceful means are hopeless as it was in Europe when hunger and determination of the poor and oppressed majority forced them to act violently.

    The answer lays in history why not just look at it.

    Japs

  17. 18 Sincere 18 August 2008 at 11:14 pm

    I think people need to fight for what they want. The winner will make the rule!!

  18. 19 Sincere 18 August 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Thai people need a group of people to make thing change. And they have to fight underground, because the lese majeste law is important in Thailand.

  19. 20 kv 30 August 2009 at 3:32 pm

    I don’t understand where was the lese majeste in this? According to this translation she only referred to real other royal familes. Where is lies or anything about thai king?

  20. 21 Brain food 31 August 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Chinese Thai – you’ve missed something I think.

    Thailand is not a democracy.

    I’m not personally advocating violence but many real democrats (Nelson Mandela etc) have embraced it to achieve democracy.

    I’m also not saying Thailand needs violence to achieve democracy but looking back over recent Thai history nearly all the violence has been carried out by forces opposed to democracy.

    So maybe start by criticising that rather than a silly speech by a minor political activist who is being turned into an international cause celebre.

  21. 22 mksamui 31 August 2009 at 3:17 pm

    No blood for “Freedom”, Gandhi, the fall of the iron curtain, has shown that it is possible, however I cannot see any Oppressor in Thailand, anymore!

    Democracy in Thailand is well on it’s way, slowly but surely, they who promote violence and uprising for the sake of “freedom” has a hidden agenda and probably is looking to take advantage out of an uncontrollable situation!

    Way too many times a violent uprising of the people has way too many seen ending up the “forgotten ones”, the ones in shackles, in camps, in an oppressed situation!

    See Iran!

    Freedom is nothing t spill any ones blood for, but to vote for and to strive for in daily life, to make an effort every minute – only who has gained his very own freedom can genuinely be FREE!


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