Is the thai army or gvt trying to provoke Cambodia ?

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen here Monday asked Thailand to evacuate its 81 troops from the Veal Intry area near the Preah Vihear Temple on Cambodian soil within 24 hours, and warned war otherwise, Xinhua news agency reported.

“The Veal Intry area is the dead or alive point for us,” he told reporters at Cambodia’s Foreign Ministry after meeting with visiting Thai Foreign Minister Sompong Amornviwat.

“The situation at the Veal Intry area is too hot. They have to remove tonight or tomorrow. If they don’t remove from the Veal Intry area, war will be waged,” he said.

They entered there (Monday morning) and are deploying and camping their tents about 30 meters from our soldiers. They said they stay here only one day,” he said.

“Cambodia still keep our maximum restraints and won’t mind if they go back to their own stronghold,” he said. (Nation)

Knock knock ! The dispute over Preah Vihear Temple is coming back ! … How surprising ! 😉

I think there is no need to remind you the usual lunacy of the cambodian authorities and the infamous Prime Minister Hun Sen… fair enough… However, one burning question arises : is the thai army trying to provoke the cambodians ?

Why ? And why now ?

Can’t they understand that Thailand has obviously more important issues to solve than the dispute over a border ?

Could we see a link between this “event” and the current political crisis ?

UPDATE
I think now it’s obvious : there is political agenda… Look at the gesticulations of the thai authorities…

The Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Thai Army, Gen Anupong Paochinda, on Tuesday morning held an urgent meeting with relevant army officials to discuss the deepening border row between Thailand and Cambodia. The meeting was held at the Royal Thai Army Headquarters.

Prime Minister and Defence Minister Somchai Wongsawat, meanwhile, called another urgent meeting with armed force commanders and officials from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to assess the situation after Cambodia told Thailand to withdraw troops from the disputed border area before noon Tuesday. (Bangkok Post)

Somchai, the alleged Prime Minister, is a sinister clown.

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat said Tuesday that Thailand could not pull out troops from the disputed border area near Preah Vihear temple as demanded by Cambodian Prime Minister Hunsen now.

Somchai said the joint committee of the two countries needed to reach an agreement on how to carry out the pullout first before it could be done. (Nation)

UPDATE 2

Cambodian army commander Brig. Gen. Yim Pin says all Thai troops have retreated and are about half a mile (1 kilometer) from the contested territory. (CNN)

What’s going on ?

UPDATE 3

The Thai military decided Tuesday to retain troops in the disputed area near the Preah Vihear temple despite an ultimatum by the Cambodian prime minister for a pullout of Thai troops, the Army spokesman said.

Army spokesman Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd said the Army chief, Navy chief, Air Force chief and Supreme commander met and resolved not to pull out troops from the disputed area.

He said the three armed forces affirmed their readiness to deploy both troops and weapons to defend Thai territory. (Nation)

Welcome to Wonderland… One step forward, one step behind, one step on the side, one step on the moon. 😉

Anyway, when the military start to be involved… there is no limit to nonsense.

14 Responses to “Is the thai army or gvt trying to provoke Cambodia ?”


  1. 1 Bedwyr 14 October 2008 at 3:34 am

    It is reasonable of Somchai to do exactly that. @ benefits:

    1. It is a distraction from his appalling incompetence and that of his government.
    2. It appeals o the nationalism of the (not very bright) Thai.

    Completely understandable. Not smart but understandable.

    Bedwyr

  2. 2 thaichris 14 October 2008 at 3:48 am

    This is an option nobody talked about until now. Let’s start a war against Cambodia. The agression will switch towards the Khmer. The governement will ask for unity. PAD will not be able any more to go against the governement because this will be considered un-patriotic. The governement will declair ‘state of war’ which gives them all the power, change the constitution to have all cases dropped and the 5 year ban against polititians lifted, all patriots living abroad (especially in England) will return, seek control, find an agreement with Hun Sen (during a game of golf) and finish the war. He will be a hero at a level of King Naresuan and King Taksin.

    You think this is weard? Look out!

  3. 3 thaichris 14 October 2008 at 3:50 am

    I forgot to mention. After the war, the Thai governement under the lead of Generalisimo T. will start hugh infrastructure project to rebuild the destroid area. The lead will be with a well know consulting company (owned by the kids – collecting 20% service charge).

    Business as usual.

  4. 4 ThaiCrisis 14 October 2008 at 3:56 am

    Nice scenario indeed.

    But you forget that the thai army is, in theory, not really on the PPP’s side…
    😉

    Let’s see how they are going to play this…

    Or is it the sign that there are indeed dividness within the army too ?

  5. 5 thaichris 14 October 2008 at 4:10 am

    I don’t think, the Thai army is involved until now. And if the Cambodian army fires at them, they have no other chance than to fight back.

    There are very good relations between PPP and Hun Sen. You know about that corrupt politician sitting in his casino in Poi Pet? And Mr.T. playing golf at the best Cambodia golf course? And the Buriram ‘red shirts’ going against the Thais which wanted to secure Thai soil?

    The deal could be:

    You (Hun Sen) start the war. I come back. We negotiate. Thailand get Preah Viharn. I’mk a hero. You get the right to intude the area at the cost between Thailand and Cambodia to explore the oil and gas fields. You become richer.

    The entire story is not about an acient ruine but about the business oportunities at the cost. Why you think Mr.T.’s casino is at KhoKong.

  6. 6 thaichris 14 October 2008 at 4:18 am

    TC – sorry to missuse your blog but this is another one for the BOZO of the day:

    The PM of another country treatens to attack Thailand at 12 noon; a civila war is looming at the horizon; there is a civil war taking place in the south of Thailand already; leagal issues all over. And the Thai PM? He .. (copied from the nation):

    Somchai asks reporters why they turn up in high number

    Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat smiling attended a weekly Cabinet meeting at the temporary Cabinet office at the Don Muang airport at 9:40 am Tuesday.

    When he saw an army of reporters waiting for him, he asked whether there was anything special.

    “Is there anything special? Why are there so many of you here? Today is just a normal Cabinet meeting day,” Somchai greeted the reporters, smilingly.

    War, civil unrest, demonstrators dying, economy in agony, …

    Nothing special – an absolutely normal day in Thailand.

  7. 7 chinesethai 14 October 2008 at 4:19 am

    Now dots are connected. Thanks, Thaichris.

  8. 8 Kjp 14 October 2008 at 1:56 pm

    ” I think there is no need to remind you the usual lunacy of the cambodian authorities and the infamous Prime Minister Hun Sen… fair enough… However, one burning question arises : is the thai army trying to provoke the cambodians ?

    Why ? And why now ?

    Can’t they understand that Thailand has obviously more important issues to solve than the dispute over a border ?

    Could we see a link between this “event” and the current political crisis ? ”

    It is obvious that Thailand did somehow turned out to have provoked Cambodia. Thailand just recently stepped in the so-called disputed area near the temple after 3 stupid PAD supporters illegally went in the Preah Vihear temple, and not long after that, Thailand invaded the other temples ( Ta Krobey, Ta moan…) , and a few days ago, the Veal Entry. If thailand was there long time ago, how could Cambodia send the troop now? It doesnt make sense. It is thailand that invaded Cambodia.

    How do i say that invasion. Thais government already agreed to use the 1907 frenco-siames map with Cambodia before with her previous government and as concluded by the Internaional court of justice that thailand had accepted the map, and the Cambodian map(based on frenco-siame map) was recognized world wide by the UN. While the Thai map was never recognized and drawn unilaterally. Even the google map reveals that the temples are in Cambodian territory.

    Thai troop stepped on landmins twice i guess. So it is obvious that the area belongs to Cambodia. If it is thai soil, would there be a landmine? Or do you think Thai would let Cambodia go and plant the mine on thai soil?

    Didnt Thai learn a lesson in a bloody war with Laotian? 600 thai troops was killed in the battle. Comparing to Cambodia, Thailand did possessed better weapons, but got no experience. Thai troop would end up hurting themselves if they dont withdraw, landmines and khmer rouge troops will for sure teach thai another lesson. And this time, I am sure it will be worse.

    Thai political crisis did have a link.
    Thai government did try to favor the Pad protestors, by sending troops to invade cambodia and occupy the temples. But when the relations with cambodia get bad, Thailand is the one who loses.
    Thailand import billions of dollar to Cambodia, and thanks to the conflict, most cambodian ppl turn to Vietnamese and Chinese products…

  9. 9 Kjp 14 October 2008 at 2:03 pm

    If you really think i am biased, you are wrong. I am not. I think it is not hard to understand, a strong country usually do the same things to a weak country. But, every thing stands to its limit.
    An object can only be strong at its weakest point. Thailand should focus on its political crisis rather than getting Cambodia involved, coz it will make everything worse. And the temples are not worth someone’s life to have a war.

  10. 10 Bedwyr 15 October 2008 at 1:07 am

    Didnt Thai learn a lesson in a bloody war with Laotian? 600 thai troops was killed in the battle. Comparing to Cambodia, Thailand did possessed better weapons, but got no experience. Thai troop would end up hurting themselves if they dont withdraw, landmines and khmer rouge troops will for sure teach thai another lesson. And this time, I am sure it will be worse.

    Indeed. Better armed but this does not account for the legendary Thai incompetence and cowardice in any scenario where they do not enjoy huge advantage of numbers. In a limited conflict with Khmer troops, Thailand will likely get its ass kicked.

    Thailand knows this so it will be careful to avoid a conflict with anyone who will shoot back. Instead it will posture and bluster and puff itself up. But it will not risk getting its ass kicked or being seen to run away.

    All will be well, we can just watch amused as they play their games, knowing that nothing will come of it. It is just a diversion as I noted before…

    Bedwyr

  11. 11 Bedwyr 15 October 2008 at 10:01 am

    Follow-up.

    According to today’s papers, a 10 minute fire-fight: 2 Thai soldiers injured – from shrapnel and not by direct hit bullets.

    Seems like a few sessions in the firing range are overdue. Thailand complains about Cambodia laying land-mines. On Thai soil or disputed land? If it is in disputed land then Thailand is claiming the land again even while talks were scheduled?

    Doesn’t sound like the Cambodians have started this one…

    Bedwyr

  12. 12 soeso 15 October 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Bedwyr, According to the briefing given to ASEAN Ambassadurs, landmines supposely laid in the Thai territory. And also claimed that there are newly put there landmines and this is breach of international law (Ottawa Convention). This followings are the relevant sections of statement of briefing as published on the ministrys website:

    “2. On 6 October 2008, while on routine patrol deep inside Thai territory to the north of Phu Ma Khua in an area near the Temple of Phra Viharn, two Thai paramilitary rangers stepped on landmines and lost their legs. The route taken by the Thai soldiers was known to have been cleared of landmines. The Thai Mine Action Center (TMAC) therefore sent a team of officials to investigate and clear the area. The team found several newly manufactured anti-personnel mines planted in an area nearby. Upon further inspection, they found recently planted PMN2-type landmines manufactured in Russia – a type of mine that has never been used or possessed by the Royal Thai Armed Forces. As Thai rangers had never found this type of landmine while patrolling this route prior to 3 October 2008, the Royal Thai Government believes that the landmines were planted after the incident.

    3. Thailand views this development with great alarm, as it indicates a serious violation of the Convention on the Prohibition on the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on Their Destruction of 1997 (the Ottawa Mine Ban Convention). It is Thailand’s sincere hope that the Royal Cambodian Government has not been stepping up its rhetoric over the boundary dispute in an effort to overwhelm any attention being given to this serious breach of international law.”

  13. 13 Hoktula 15 October 2008 at 5:18 pm

    I agree with the main idea of this post – I’ve got the same impression (that Thai army plays this matter to their advantage) even before reading it here.

    thaichris
    “TC – sorry to missuse your blog…”

    who is “taking over” the blog ?
    out of 12 comments to this post so far 4 are yours,
    and another 4 are Bedwyr’s. but of course your own number of posts doesn’t count, right?

    so, as long as there are more of your own comments things seems “fair and balanced” to you, and what was that – ah, yeah : “quiet neutral and on a good intelectual level” – that is a good one ! 😉

    Bedwyr

    you rant sucks as usually 🙂


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