The nightmare continues : PAD won’t move before “the entire Cabinet is gone”

7 days ! The airports are occupied since 7 days !

This morning, the PPP was disbanded. And Somchai gone. But the PAD is not satisfied. Of course.

People’s Alliance for Democracy leader Somsak Kosaisuk on Tuesday vowed to continue rallying at Don Mueang and Suvarnabhumi airports and demanded the departure of the entire Cabinet.

Following the verdict on party disbandment, Somsak said the PAD would not allow the Cabinet to work in the caretaker capacity until the formation of the next government.

He said every minister must depart along with Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat.

Of 36 Cabinet members, 22 are not affected by the party disbandment and can carry on in the caretaker administration. (Nation)

19 Responses to “The nightmare continues : PAD won’t move before “the entire Cabinet is gone””


  1. 1 chinesethai 2 December 2008 at 8:26 am

    They would lose support quickly and the overwhelming support they have got will turn into hostility towards themselves.

    They must find somewhere else to protest against the remaining cabinet.

    Somsak Kosaiyakuk may have a say but he is not the leader. The final decision is up to Chamlong and Sondhi. And I believe they are under huge pressure to move out.

  2. 2 thaichris 2 December 2008 at 8:54 am

    PAD didn’t achieve nothing. PTP (exPPP (exTRT)) will elect another PM and will try to ammen the constitution. The government already announced that 22 of the 36 ministers (the ones which are not executives of one of the 3 parties) will build an interim government under the leadership of interim PM Chavarat Charnveerakul until 8th of December and then they will elect a new PM out tf the ranks of PTP. That why PAD can not retrait.

    They might loose the support of the ordiairy citicens. But the hrd-core PAD will continue until they achieve there target – to make sure that Thaksin will never return. And they will either win – and Thailand will suffer a little bit – or they will loose and take the country down with them. And please don’t underestimate them. They are ready to die for it and they already showed this. Until today the other side didn’t show that they are willing to go to the bitter end.

    As I wrote in a previous comment: What would they gain if they pull out? Nothing. Waht will they loose? Nothinh. That is why they will stay … and expand there activities. Next target will be:

    – International Airport Phuket (occupation)
    – International Airport Chinag Mai (distruction)
    – Deep Sea Port
    – TESCO LOTUS
    – Starbuck
    – (Alpine golf course ?)

    Other options are:

    – Boycott of all companies supporting Thaksin
    – Pull money out of the stock market
    – Ruin the real estate business by selling at low rates

    The PAD can be very creative and they have time, something I think Thaksin and the country don’t have.

    One day Thaksin needs to get his investment back. His wealth might be big but it is not indefinit. And no peace means no ‘mega project’ means no ‘tea money’ means no income. The PAD knows that very well and as I said … they have time.

  3. 3 ThaiCrisis 2 December 2008 at 8:57 am

    You forgot… occupation of McDonalds and of course (that would hurt) Fuji Restaurants.
    😉

    More seriously, wait a little bit more… The last angle of the Bermuda Triangle : the King.

    His birthday speech (thursday I think).

  4. 4 paperback 2 December 2008 at 9:17 am

    Although the reactionary revolutionaries have won another “final” battle, there will be a lot of even more final battles to come because they cannot stop before they have reached their most important goal: disenfranchise all those who oppose them. That’s still a way to go.

    For the time being I’d agree with TC that until the King’s speech everything will remain up in the air.

  5. 5 chinesethai 2 December 2008 at 9:19 am

    Well, but they need to take public support into account too. It came with a big price tag.

    BTW, I would rather pay attention to Sondhi-Chamlong’s decision, which Somsak said will be announced by 5PM, before we will see how the situation will play out further.

  6. 6 chinesethai 2 December 2008 at 9:22 am

    TC:

    Fuji Restaurants? Man, now I know where your favourite eatery is. hehehehe

  7. 7 Insanity 2 December 2008 at 9:33 am

    PAD will not disperse until they are able to bring about a change in the constitution whereby direct elections are discarded in favor of appointing most legislators. The rural poor would have no vote as, according to PAD they are not sophisticated enough to cast ballots responsibly and is susceptible to vote-buying.

    PAD also talks about “re-educating” the rural poor so that they can see how wise they are.

    The Thai nation now enters a new more dangerous stage and the outlook is terrifying.

  8. 8 chinesethai 2 December 2008 at 9:56 am

    One who talks most frequently about his/her empathy with the poor is likely to be one who cares least about the poor. Believe it or not? Coz such mantra has been so overused for decades not by the poor themselves but by the politicians who suddenly got richer with mansions and hundreds of millions (or billions) in their bank accounts just right after their short debuts into the parliament.

  9. 9 Bedwyr 2 December 2008 at 10:05 am

    I still think this is a side-show. The MP’s who are banned will resign, elections will be held. Thaksinistas will be elected, have a majority, form a government and around and around we go.

    This seems to be and endless loop, and the PAD and their sponsors have ultimately to find a way of clinging on to their traditional feudal power in the face of a majority against them. The signs and portents are not good, I believe they will not give up, and the majority will not gladly go back to disenfranchisement. 1 + 1 = civil war if Thais are not very careful. The wild card in all this remains HMK. There is now open hostility towards the palace from among the grass roots Thais. Most of this is against the lady and her lieutenant the general P. If HMK dies or is obviously incapacitated, I still think there will be huge problems. All eyes will be on him on Thursday/Friday. My money is on a outside chance no-show – on some pretext. Partly because in Thailand, many ‘rumours’ turn out to be true.

    Bedwyr

  10. 10 paperback 2 December 2008 at 10:19 am

    @ chinesethai

    I agree. The Thaksin side doesn’t care about the poor more than that they want to secure their support. That is also why the reactionary side is not actually concerned about Thaksin, he’s just another politician to be dealt with. What the reactionaries are really concerned about is that they need to suppress the rural poor’s awakening that they do constitute a weighty political factor and may use this power in order to enhance their living conditions. Just as empathy for the poor is used for power politics the same way concern for corruption is exploited. One who talks most frequently about his/her concern about corruption is likely to be one who cares least about corruption – unless the corrupt stand on the “wrong” side of the power divide.

  11. 11 chinesethai 2 December 2008 at 10:41 am

    paperback,

    “One who talks most frequently about his/her concern about corruption is likely to be one who cares least about corruption.” – unless the corrupt stand on the “wrong” side of the power divide.

    You are as brainwashed by Paul Handley as are Yellow Shirts allegedly brainwashed by the yellow propaganda. 🙂 Haven’t you ever play sports?

  12. 12 Wrongfred 2 December 2008 at 10:48 am

    I agree with you. We had another example in Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan who said that she supports to poor. In reality the poor saw nothing and the Bhutto family earned 500 Million Dollars and have mansions in London and Dubai.

    The people in the rural areas need education and not “free snacks” a la Thaksinomics.

    However in Thailand we live in an environment of people who vote someone who brings them the most material advantage so you can bet that Thaksin’s proxy parties will win every next election. ABAC polls prove that.

  13. 13 Wrongfred 2 December 2008 at 10:52 am

    Politicians are liars everywhere on the world!

  14. 14 paperback 2 December 2008 at 11:11 am

    @ chinesethai

    Spare me your yellow mantra that everyone is brainwashed except for the enlightend PAD followers who are the only ones that have seen the light.

    In regard to He-Whose-Doings-Must-Not-Be-Discussed it is still better to make educated guesses upon the avaiable material instead of mistake parital propaganda for truth.

  15. 15 chinesethai 2 December 2008 at 11:15 am

    Wrongfred,

    “The people in the rural areas need education and not “free snacks” a la Thaksinomics.”

    I beg to differ a little bit with this statement. We need to elaborate more on the term ‘education’. If it merely means schooling and college enrollment, I beg to differ. A large number of the people I know of being Anti-Thaksin do not receive normal school education. Many of them from the Northeast have lower than secondary school qualification but are Anti-Thaksin. Or many ethnic Chinese minority who marched with PAD don’t even read and write Thai at all. My dad who left school at M1 level is Anti-Thaksin while one of his friends, also an ethnic Chinese, got a degree but is Pro-Thaksin. I think there are individual way of thinking and how they access the information that also count.

  16. 16 fall 2 December 2008 at 11:34 am

    Next target will be:
    – Starbuck

    Now, that would be an OUTRAGE! Those barbarians…

    The last angle of the Bermuda Triangle : the King.
    I’ld say the speech is overrated. It’s a done deal.
    The king is suppose to be above politic. Hence, the speech would contain message of unity, respect to the law, and prevent uprising, not a tad more.
    With such strict lese majeste law, specific discussion is just impossible.

    The speech would come, the red shirt would gather. Then the military would use the speech as pretext to step up and pressure/appoint an interim government. Amend constitution to 70/30, Viva la revolution!

  17. 17 paperback 2 December 2008 at 1:04 pm

    @ fall

    I also tend to think that Thursday’s speech will not contain very specific content. But if it’s not precise the reactionaries will have a hard time to legitimate the installation of an interim government, especially if the reds are smart enough not to start something the coupsters could use as an excuse.

    PAD is probably regrouping and wants to stop the parliament from electing a new government. That is most likely also the reason why they (partially) retreat from the airports – the troops are needed elsewhere next week. It will be just a continuation of the strategy to keep the pressure up high until an incidents happens which allows the military to take over.

  18. 18 Insanity 2 December 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Chinesethai/Wrongfred/Paperback/Others

    You are right we need to elaborate on the word ‘education.’ But I didn’t quote the word ‘education,’ I quoted the word “re-educating.”

    Yes certainly a debatable words. There is a dangerous tendency to assume that when people use the same words, they perceive a situation in the same way. This is rarely the case.

    It is difficult to educate; it is more difficult to re-educate; Now, by re-education we may mean all measures designed to change the character structure of the Thai people, or we may merely mean such measures as affect either the educational institutions (schools, universities, youth organizations), or the media of communication (press, theater, radio, movies, books).

    OR DO WE MEAN BRAIWASHING (also known as thought reform or re-education) consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person — beliefs sometimes unwelcome or in conflict with the person’s prior beliefs and knowledge, in order to affect that individual’s value system and subsequent thought-patterns and behaviors.

    Hence my final sentence that: The Thai nation now enters a new more dangerous stage and the outlook is terrifying.

  19. 19 crocodilexp 3 December 2008 at 1:56 am

    > It is difficult to educate; it is more difficult to re-educate

    Re-educating people is actually much easier than educating, especially when it comes to politics.

    To properly educate people, one needs teachers that are educated in the first place and know how to transfer the knowledge. It is also necessary to have students that are motivated to learn and think critically.

    To re-educate, all you need is a re-education camp, for can be run by anyone wielding a big baton. Even Laos successfully ran such camps in the past — they re-educated critical parts of their population (including the former Lao royal family) with a 100% success rate. China is running them on an ongoing basis.

    PAD would have no trouble running them — the thugs are there already, as well as sufficient the contempt for their fellow countrymen.


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