Thailandjistan : the little talibans have plans for you… and Songkran

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has been asked to consider three options on the ban of sales of alcoholic drinks during next month’s Songkran festival.

Business operators question the practicality of such action with one saying it would be of no benefit in cutting the road toll.

The Public Health Ministry and relevant agencies Wednesday held talks with suppliers and hoteliers on ways to control alcohol sales during Songkran and other long holidays.

Delegates said excessive drinking was the main cause of a sharp rise in road accidents during those periods.

Mr Abhisit, as chairman of the government’s alcohol control committee, will be asked to decide whether to ban alcohol sales throughout the entire Songkran holiday period, for five days or for just three days. (Bangkok Post)

They’re back. Who ? The little talibans from Thailandjistan. For them, you can’t have a drink or buy alcohol :

-between 2 PM and 5 PM. Why ? Because. Nobody know. 1h45 PM it’s okay. But not 2 PM. Call 800 MONTHY PYTHON for more information.

-during elections days (and even the days before). Why ? Because, according to them, the plebs are so dumb they could get drunk and then they could go to vote for Buddha, the Virgin Mary or even Thaksin. That would create a mess.

-and they don’t want the company ThaiBev (Chang beer) to be listed on the thai stock market. Why ? Because. Sin. Evil.

It’s dark age mixed with clumsy stupidity.

You have to love the “choices ” given to Abhisit : full (more than 1 week), 5 days or 3 days. Thank you little talibans !

Let’s hope that Abhisit will show some balls and give the finger to those bigots, the talibans, the people who hate to see other individuals having their own life, the brainless who know better than you what is good for you or not.

Boon Rawd Brewery marketing manager Chutchai Wiratyosin said after the meeting that any restrictions on the hours and places alcohol could be sold would be useless.

He said consumers could still go to shops where alcohol was sold and stock up before the start of the ban.

Indeed. You’re a wise man Boon. Full of common sense. But obviously, the little talibans who hate freedom… lack common sense.

17 Responses to “Thailandjistan : the little talibans have plans for you… and Songkran”


  1. 1 Prokster 5 March 2009 at 5:22 am

    This is hugely amusing. Almost makes me want to start reading the papers again in search of such gems.
    but hey, when you have an endless supply of stolen Dom from TG who cares about the proles?

  2. 2 Bedwyr 5 March 2009 at 6:24 am

    The road toll in Thailand is 6 times what it is in UK, which has comparable population, and that is using the Thai government statistics which misses a lot of road kill due to the collection method.

    The cause is not drink, though irresponsible drinking among Thais certainly exacerbates the problem. The actual problem is crap driving – caused in its turn by the fact that Thai drivers are never taught decent road skills, or even consideration for other road users. They are also rarely penalised because of a hugely corrupt police force which accepts money for doing a job (wages), and then accepts money for not doing it (bribes).

    The cost of poor education and poor enforcement is lives lost, but this appears to be a logical leap Thais are unable to make – with the inevitable consequence that it wont get any better.

    We should not forget that the Thai government is composed of Thais so an excess of thinking is not a problem for them. The government has only the traditional Thai ‘management by bright idea’ methodology as a strategy, so inevitably, everything they touch turns to shit – the proverbial ‘Thai style’.

    The answer from the government is (yes, I know, I shouldn’t expect anything sensible from Thais, but I can dream can’t I?):

    1. Enforce the rues and put 80% of police generals in jail so they stop making bribery demands on the foot soldiers.
    2. If you commit a road offence (eg driving the wrong way, speeding etc), you lose your bike and if you don’t pay the fine you get put in jail or do significant community service cleaning Bangkok’s disgusting the public toilets.
    3. Create good driving technique through education, enforcement and actually giving a shit about whether This live or die.

    Wow! That was a great dream. Got any more of that stuff I was just smoking?

    Bedwyr.

  3. 3 maewnam 5 March 2009 at 7:40 am

    The whole booze ban is simply nonsense as this smart man pointed out. As if any Thai who likes to get drunk wouldn’t have his stock at home. It only confuses, irritates or even angries the tourists, especially the Pattaya-tourist who believe a good vacation means lots of beer (and of course you know what).

  4. 4 Prokster 5 March 2009 at 8:08 am

    The type of very nasty ‘road management’ cameras recently deployed in Dubai would give plod the ability to catch almost all dodogy driving incidents, with an online fine & payment system to boot. Obviuosly it would mean 300,000 or so traffic cops would be out of a job.

    If the idiots cut car taxes and duties,then at least Somchai and chums could buy nice strong German cars for the price of a pickup and those who need a pickup could get the realy big US only ones. Death toll down by half I dont doubt. All the crap cars on the road here could be sold to Burma, and the body raiders could re-employ themselves as air-bag technicians.

  5. 5 George P Tuckeer 5 March 2009 at 8:40 am

    When my wife went for a driving test here in Northern Thailand, she failed miserably. The tester, seeing how downcast she was, gave her another chance. Then another.

    No bribes involved, although, I don’t doubt that there are many cases where bribes are involved since many get their licenses without ever seeing a tester. Quite a few drivers have no license at all.

    The root problem isn’t even corruption. The root problem is that most people along all levels of society don’t give much of a shit about anything. This might be par for the course in many underdeveloped countries, except that Thais care inordinately about good appearances while at the same time don’t want to do much to change fundamental behaviors that cause various problems. Hence the mind-boggling dichotomy we see everyday, the cognitive dissonance and the widespread embracing of illusion.

    To remain sane, we all need to be smoking whatever Bedwyr’s been smoking. Pass that pipe along, buddy.

  6. 6 whoopla 5 March 2009 at 8:50 am

    Upsetting the giants: Thai Bev is Chang Beer and most of the whisky and rum manufactured in Thailand. Singha Beer is made by another family – Boon Rawd
    Thai Bev is constantly besieged by Chamlong’s morality cadres thus it can only list it’s giant assets on the Singapore Stock exchange. The That SET is a tee-totaler. And broke.

  7. 7 ThaiCrisis 5 March 2009 at 8:58 am

    My mistake regarding Singha beer. Corrected.

  8. 8 InPhuket 5 March 2009 at 9:36 am

    Why do you thing they have so many kids? Through standard attrition via road accidents there will still be enough of them to take care of their parents when they get old, or lazy. This usually works out fine as long as the accident victims are predominantly male.

  9. 9 Bedwyr 5 March 2009 at 9:49 am

    @George Tucker:

    Good comments and perfectly true. They just don’t give a shit and are too lazy to get out of their own way. I don’t mean physically lazy, many country Thais work a lot harder at manual stuff than I would care to, or be able to, but there is a weird intellectual and moral laziness about Thais that I find disconcerting.

    Here dude, have some weed.

    Bedwyr

  10. 10 thailiban 5 March 2009 at 10:14 am

    an asbolute joke this ban…do they really think in isaan they will follow the ban?

  11. 11 fall 5 March 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Look on the bright side, with so much road accidents on Songkran. Automobile and spare parts sale ought to go up a little. Not to mention all the casualties that will create a slot for job vacancies…

  12. 12 absolutelybangkok 5 March 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Rightly so, time to clean up the place.

  13. 13 George P Tuckeer 5 March 2009 at 2:23 pm

    @Bedwyr

    >>there is a weird intellectual and moral laziness about Thais that I find disconcerting.

    Right you are. Hence the Thai expression heard second most often: Mei dtong kit mak

  14. 14 lek 5 March 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Can anyone answer these questions:

    does the ministry of health have the legal authority to ban the sale of alcohol, a legal product, by decree without legislative approval? If yes, what is to stop them from banning it on every Wednesday, every June, every other year, every day?

    More people die of cancer than road accidents; why doesnt the public health ministry ban smoking on Songkran?

    And what is the point in raising excise taxes on alcohol but then making alcohol unavailable?

    Speaking of excise taxes, why are they so low on liquor and so high on wine and beer? Most road accidents involving alcohol involve liquor. It almost seems like some big family connected at the highest levels and in the liquor business wants it that way. Or is that being cynical?

    Why can’t tourists, who do not have cars, drink on holidays or in their hotel during Thai elections? What does any of this have to do with visitors that they should be punished? Is it that the Thai feel it would be unfair for them to not be allowed to drink while foreigners are allowed to drink?

    Why are tourists who do drive, sober, robbed by the police at check points while locals who driver drunk are allowed to go on their way if they voluntarily share the wealth?

    None of this makes any sense; it is as if one takes the logical thing to do and does the opposite.

  15. 15 ThaiCrisis 5 March 2009 at 3:44 pm

    A very good listing of very good questions, Lek.
    Indeed.
    There is no logic, or a very twisted one, or even worse, many layers of twisted logic, mixed up together… leading to a real monster.

    I was so upset during the elections of december 2007. I came back from Europe. The ban was enforced… very closely in large hotels… but of course not in small thai joints.
    I remember, I just wanted a beer… And the silly smile of the waitress in Sofitel Hotel bar… she showed me the sign “NO ALCOHOL”… “Elections Sir !” she told me, very proud. Am I voting ? And those morons even pushed the ZEAL… to the extend of removing ALL THE BOTTLES behind the bar…
    Very thai : to solve a problem, suppress it… visually. 😉

    So of course, after, I took great care to buy stockpiles, before any taliban event. 😉

    And I’m sure it happened to many tourists as well : you go to a restaurant like Fuji, a chain… Late… Spanish version… Let’s say 2 PM.It’s hot. You order a beer. “No sir, can not, it’s 2 PM”. At 1h50 it would have been okay. Of course, you want to kill the poor waitress, even though you know it’s not her fault. 😉

    But after a few years… I still think (and it drives me crazy) that within the framework of thais-foreigners interactions…thais think it’s perfectly normal to apply and respect rules. But as soon as it’s within a thais-thais framework, then, wizz, everything diseappear. No need rules anymore !

    Thais employees in our company, usually, ask from us MORE than they would ask from themselves or other thais (as far as official regulations are concerned).

    Back to Sofitel bar : the thai waitress thinks it’s perfectly normal for foreigners to respect the ban on alcohol… but back home, she wouldn’t mind if her brother, father or neighbour break the very same rule.

    But I’m convinced it’s not a conscious process. it’s not malicious.

  16. 16 thaichris 6 March 2009 at 5:00 am

    @lek

    The reason for the ‘high’ tax on beer and the ‘low’ tax on whisky is vefry simple. The tax is not based on the amount of alcohol but on the amount of liquid containing alcohol. 1 liter of beer is taxed exactly the same amount like 1 liter of whisky. The rest of the world has a different tax system on alcoholic stuff but – this is Thailand.

  17. 17 Bedwyr 6 March 2009 at 8:00 am

    @ThaiCrisis:

    “But I’m convinced it’s not a conscious process. it’s not malicious.”

    Indeed it is not malicious, it is completely uninterrupted by any conscious thought whatever. Thais function on automatic pilot for a worryingly large percentage of their mental uptime. As George noted, they believe it is better for them not to think if they have a choice, something that successive governments have counted on for always.

    Napoleon said “Never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by incompetence”. The applies across the board in Thailand and explains many things to us poor retarded, feeble-minded foreigners who just cannot grasp the supremely subtle and brilliant Thai psychology.

    My ass.

    Bedwyr


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