NeoAbhisit in the Matrix : “there is no spoon” but “democracy is alive”

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Abhisit made a speech on democracy at St John’s College (Oxford University). It was followed by a Q&A session.

A few comments.

DEMOCRACY

“I can’t tell how fast the Thai democracy will progress. Looking back at the Western experiences, you’ll find that it took centuries,” Abhisit said.

“Most importantly, democracy in Thailand will no longer go backward. Thai people are now at the crossroads. Be assured that the people have taken the right path and will go ahead despite some obstacles,” he said. (Nation)

What the hell does it mean ? Cheap rethoric, empty words used like russian dolls. Different interpretations possible. A classic of cheap politicians.

-in the West, it took centuries. So we have to understand that in Thailand it will take centuries too ?
-The thai democracy will no longer be moving backward… what allows Abhisit to think this ? And what about moving… forward ?
-crossroads between what ?
-people took the right path. How ? And toward which direction ? A path leads to somewhere.
-“ahead” this is the direction according to Abhisit, but there are “some obstacles”. Which ones ?

LESE-MAJESTE

The premier responded that the law could be compared to a defamation law for ordinary people, due to the fact that the monarchy had no legal channel to defend itself against defamation.

He pointed out that there were similar laws in European countries.

Here, I would be cautious, because those are Nation’s words (I’m waiting for the verbatim)… In any case, Abhisit uses the old argument : this law is necessary because the monarchy has no legal mean to defend itself against defamation. And he gives us the same idiotic story : in Europe too you have this kind of law !

He’s like a child : “mumy, I did something wrong, but I’m not alone, other people did it too “. Again, cheap childish rethoric.

Abhisit should tell us (because he knows apparently Europe so well ) : do we send people to jail for lese-majeste, like Thailand is currently doing ? Do we ?

It’s a pity that no one asked him a very simple question : thanks to the lese-majeste law, a thai police officer was able to fill a complaint, on 3 different occasions, against a BBC journalist (J.Head).

Is it normal ? Is it media harassment ? Personal vendetta ? Is it plain stupidity from one lunatic official ? What Abhisit is thinking about it ?

And the same police officer filled a lese-majeste complaint against… Jakrapob (thai politician, friend of Thaksin).

Is there a link ? Is it a mere coincidence ? If not what is it then ? Still personal vendetta ? Or harassment of a politician ?

You know what I mean : facts. No bullshit, no grandiloquent words, no empty concepts : plain and burning facts (read here, and there).

What Abhisit is thinking about this ? Where are the democracy, the rule of law, the “right path” bla bla bla in those facts ?

Abhisit, don’t forget : there is no spoon. You are part of the Matrix. You live in the Potemkin Village.

You’re fooling only yourself.

18 Responses to “NeoAbhisit in the Matrix : “there is no spoon” but “democracy is alive””


  1. 1 hobby 16 March 2009 at 9:53 am

    Those charges were laid well before Abhisit became PM – do you expect him to interfere in the legal process?
    Take those blinkers off for a while, and you might see that this guy is about as reasonable as any Thai PM is ever likely to be, and it would be more productive to work with him (encourage good deeds) rather than work against him – there are already enough people and circumstances making his job more difficult than it should normally be – why not you try being constructive for a change?

  2. 2 ThaiCrisis 16 March 2009 at 9:57 am

    I know this story occured before Abhisit became Prime…. I’ve asked : what does Abhisit think about it ? It’s totally different.

    In any case, the answers he gave in Oxford were not satisfactory, were not sincere, with the story about the same kind of law in Europe blablabla.

    Why people can’t see his blatant contradictions, approximations and lies ?

    I don’t understand.

    As for the hard job, yes it’s hard. Nobody denies it. But he asked for it. He took the position the Frankenstein Coalition offered him. So ? Why we should be gentle with him ?

    Don’t you think that he makes the job a little bit harder by his own decisions ?

  3. 3 hobby 16 March 2009 at 10:27 am

    Actually, I don’t think he should have taken the job when he did, but I think he saw it as just about his only opportunity – the masses don’t vote for him, even when he offers the same populist policies as the others.

    I agree about the Frankenstein Coalition.
    I also like your blog, it just seems a bit relentless against Abhisit lately – I agree he’s been disappointing (especially re Kasit), but he’s also getting blamed for a lot of stuff that’s not really his fault – I recognize he’s got a lot of things on his plate trying to satisfy a lot of competing interests, and think his better instincts should be encouraged rather than backing him into a corner.

    To put things into perspective, can you imagine a Samak or a Thaksin debating a Giles in Oxford?

  4. 4 ThaiCrisis 16 March 2009 at 10:33 am

    Hobby, peruse my articles before Abhisit…. since june 2007. You’ll see that I was punching like crazy the Junta (Surayud), then Samak then Somchai.

    I would like to repeat : it’s not because I dislike now Abhisit that I like yesterday or today Thaksin (or Samak, or Surayud).

    That’s the problem in Thailand : if you’re not yellow, then you’re supposted to be red, or the contrary. 😉

    Actually, I deeply dislike all of them.

    It is our duty to scrutinize the people who currently have the power and to criticize them, even harshly.

  5. 5 George P Tuckeer 16 March 2009 at 11:53 am

    Abhisit’s boyish looks and gentle demeanor may a elicit a little sympathy.

    But look at it this way: he lays unusual claims to being a saviour of Thai democracy, he comes from the Democratic Party, he attempts to fill the decidedly large shoes of Chuan Lekpai — a true democrat (by Thai standards).

    And here’s he clincher: he came to power undemocratically.

    It’s therefore fair to demand that he work extra hard to prove his democratic credentials. At the very least he should respond to substantial and fair criticism with more than platitudes.

  6. 6 fall 16 March 2009 at 12:43 pm

    …and you might see that this guy is about as reasonable as any Thai PM is ever likely to be…
    Hobby is right. Because by judging from the past, the standard is very, very low.

    I would agree with Abhisit in refusing to get down on the floor and debate Giles then and there. Admittedly, Giles make a terrible debut in Q&A. Shame on him for having a such good hand and loose to an amateur.

    As to Abhisit and his witty, but hypocritical words…
    “Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.”
    -Napoleon Bonaparte

  7. 7 ThaiCrisis 16 March 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Yes, I’m waiting to have like a transcript of the Q&A, but it seems that Giles didn’t push his advantage.

    The mistake was to attack Abhisit on big principles (“lese-majeste law is used to protect the gvt and the military”), rather than to confront him with small facts and bits of information.

    It would have been more efficient to ask :
    -do you think it’s normal that a woman, supporter of the opposition (Da Torpedo), is in jail since july, for lese-majeste, waiting for a trial and whose bail was denied several times ?

    -do you think it’s normal that Harry, the australian author, spent 5 months in jail for lese-majeste, for a book he wrote but that was never sold ?

    -how do you explain the budget deficit, with lower revenues, when at the same time you authorize the military to buy 6 more swedish jetfighters ? Does the thai army need new weapons, bought outside Thailand, in the middle of a full blown economic crisis ?

    etc. etc.

    Abhisit is good with platitudes, big empty sentences, and cheap rethoric.

  8. 8 Bedwyr 16 March 2009 at 1:19 pm

    “that this guy is about as reasonable as any Thai PM is ever likely to be”

    And thus is the deception completed.

    Reasonableness is just the impression he wishes to convey, and people will like him. We all want to believe people we like so people will believe him.

    And the oppression will continue, the corruption will continue. And still the Somchai case will not progress, the PAD prosecutions will simply not happen (would *you* do anything with them, knowing that the Palace called their shots? – didn’t think so). The airport case will not progress and Newin will continue to have his trotters in the trough. And of course, everyone s happy because he is so… reasonable.

    And still Abhisit will pretend to have been democratically elected and people will want to believe that someone, anyone gives a shit about what he says. Because he is so reasonable.

    This is how the Thai story got to be the Thai story. Thais will ignore facts every time if they like someone or if they owe someone something. Every time.

    Bedwyr

    Baaaaa, I just like the guy. Baaaaa he is so reasonable. Baaaaa, he is so pretty. Baaaa, he is so… cardboard.

  9. 9 Prokster 16 March 2009 at 1:23 pm

    A number of people tend to give Apisit quite a lot of leeway based on poor logic. And horse shit. Like his looks.
    Now if we measured him by quality policy choices, truth pooting….then fine, but it simply isn’t the case, and he is what he is. A lightweight.
    And do not forget, the speckled beast behind him is a very nasty piece of work, and one with about as many scruples as a rabid dog in heat.
    The fact of the matter is Thailand will never get anything much better than this twat, but that doesn’t make him good. By Q4 the man will be in tatters, and look more like a failed bank clerk than a PM.

  10. 10 World Citizen 16 March 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Abhisit’s talk in Oxford: From the inside

    http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2009/03/16/abhisits-talk-in-oxford-from-the-inside/

    Also somebody has put up a video clip of part of Abhisit-Ji QA at YouTube

  11. 11 ThaiCrisis 16 March 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Thanks for the links. A quick read, and already I’m angry. 😉

    More cheap rethoric. Look at this one : a pure gem.

    He cited the fact that media freedom was high the last time his Democrat Party was in power. However, media freedom had declined during the years when his party was not in power. He then posed the question “is Thai democracy backsliding”.

    Sure Thaksin was harsh on the press. But is it the only cause of the thai democracy “backsliding” ? The way Abhisit is talking, it seems so. But what about… a military coup (2006) ? Is that not a very serious “backsliding” ????

    A second one :
    He said that was the reason why when the military stage a coup in September 2006, it was met with “relief among the majority of people”.

    “Majority of people” ? Liar. So why the PPP won the election the year after (december 2007) ?

    And it continues :
    He, however, argued that the existing democracy pressured the military to promise to hold an election within one year.

    So… just mai pen rai : the coup was quickly forgotten, and it was not that bad, because the military promised to hold elections… During the process, the Constitution was torn a part, and we had tanks in the streets, a real military coup, but no problem : just wait one year for new elections, a happy ending.

    Another gem :
    He cited this and the fact that the military had to subject the 2007 Constitution to a referendum as a reflection that democracy had still prevailed despite the military intervention.

    Why do we complain ? They made a referendum ! This is nice coming from lunatics in uniform, right ! ? But Abhisit forget to talk about… the constitution designed for this occasion… a huge “backslide” compared to the 1997 Constitution.

    Another one about lese-majeste :
    “if you say the same thing or made the same allegation against ordinary people, you will also be taken to court…what the law does is to give protection to the royal family in the same way that libel laws protect ordinary people”

    I’m speechless. What’s the link between libel and someone who would say “thailand needs a republic” for instance ? Abhisit is playing with words. He stays on the “insult” level, which is of course totally different than the “political” level !

    I could continue like this over and over. But i’m tired.

    It’s confirmed : Abhisit speaks well. But he’s Neo in the Matrix. He likes to use rethoric and believe it’s enough to subdue his audience (many thai politicians are doing the same, they believe in the fascination of words).

  12. 12 hobby 16 March 2009 at 10:07 pm

    I could continue like this over and over. But i’m tired“.

    Me too.

  13. 13 tom_bkk 17 March 2009 at 1:39 am

    And he gives us the same idiotic story : in Europe too you have this kind of law !

    WHICH COUNTRY?

  14. 14 thaichris 17 March 2009 at 2:30 am

    Guys, why are we all living in Thailand? Because the country is as it is! Thai politics is a pain in the ass. But it is entertaining (as clowns usually are) They rip of FARANG (and KAEK and JEK and …) where ever they can. But they do it with a smile. The are slow thinking, ‘may pen rai’ acting, never in time and never delivering what they promised. But you can relay on this.

    If one day Thailand would change, become relayable like Swiss watches, correct like Germans, honest like Britons, hard working like Amricans, would it still be Thailand? The land we enjoy to live in? No, it would become another boring, well organized country as there are many on earth. And we will leave.

    So relax, enjoy the show, make your sarcastic comments but pray that they should never change. And don’t get mad, don’t get tired, don’t get upset. T.i.T. And I love it that way. And you?

  15. 15 ThaiCrisis 17 March 2009 at 4:59 am

    Abhisit takes always the same reference : Denmark.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se_majest%C3%A9

    But again, it’s a total lie to put on the same level the thai lese-majeste and the libel law that (in theory) protects the royal family in Denmark.
    It’s a gross lie. A vulgar lie.

    As for The Netherlands , you get a 400 euros fine... if you call the Queen… a “whore“. Now, compare this with the thai lese-majeste….

    It’s astonishing that nobody corrected him during the Q&A session in Oxford (or during interviews he gave).

  16. 16 Bedwyr 17 March 2009 at 5:45 am

    @ThaiChris:

    That’s a very good point to make.

    But they would be much better off if they were just like us in the things we don’t like, and stayed just like them in the things we do like. Yes?

    In fact they would be much better off appointing me as PM (or TC, or you), and having us pick our cabinet from among us contributors to this great blog.

    Ideal.

    Except I suppose that there wouldn’t be any Thai Crisis any more so we wouldn’t have so much fun laughing at Thais.

    Bugger. Catch 22.

    Bedwyr.

  17. 17 Terry 22 March 2009 at 11:30 am

    It looks like all the FCCT’s Lese Majeste gang (Thaksin’s hired losers) have come here to bash Aphisit in their own private world.

    Where else in the world would you find a bunch of pedophile reporters ranting like a bunch of fag queens?

    Looks like most of them are now masturbating with glee as they lash out with their hokey pokey arguments, ThaiCrisis is such a closet queer that he dare not use his real name – pathetic prick!

  18. 18 ThaiCrisis 22 March 2009 at 11:49 am

    Terry, I’ve decided to publish your comment. First because I think you’d have been happy to be blocked by my odious censorship.

    And then, because you’re a living showcase for the low lifes who are supporting the current government, who are unable to use reason (obviously) when they are confronted to facts… but instead use insults.

    And insults with a sexual bias. It tells a lot about you on a psychoanalytic level.

    For that matter, you are a curiosity, an object of study for entomologists.

    This is what I do for a living : I expose people like you on a cardboard, like insects.

    So long… 😉


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