Abhisit loses himself into the mirror : “no dissolution… we won’t give in to law violators”

It’s pathetic. And surreal.

The very same Abhisit (or was he ? A clone maybe ?) was calling for House dissolution before december, when the PAD was protesting in the streets !

And the same Abhisit became Prime Minister thanks to “law violators” (occupation of the Government House, of the airport etc.).

Abhisit ? Wake up ! Can’t you see that the mirror effect is becoming ridiculous ? !

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva Wednesday morning refused to dissolve the House despite the Red Shirts’ rally.

“The government will not dissolve Parliament,” Abhisit told reporters after launching an anti-drunk driving campaign ahead of the Thai New Year next week. “We will only do so if it is an appropriate solution. We will not respond to threats of violence.”

Abhisit said the government would not give in to demands of law violators. (Nation)

He’s speaking like Samak, like Somchai, the previous Prime Ministers… Again the mirror effect.

But he has no credibiliy. None. No legitimacy. Abhisit is just inaudible.

Nobody actually respect him. It’s really embarrassing now. The “doll”, the “muppet” has lasted a few weeks, he has made illusion for a few weeks…

36 Responses to “Abhisit loses himself into the mirror : “no dissolution… we won’t give in to law violators””


  1. 1 InPhuket 8 April 2009 at 7:50 am

    Message to Red Shirts: Whatever you do, just stay out of the God Damn Airport!

  2. 2 World Insanity 8 April 2009 at 8:13 am

    THAILAND 2ND MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN ASIA
    http://business.inquirer.net/money/breakingnews/view/20090408-198573/RP-no-longer-most-corrupt-in-ranking

    Indonesia and Thailand are perceived as Asia’s most corrupt economies, with last year’s cellar-dweller the Philippines making a marked improvement, an annual survey of foreign business executives showed Wednesday.

  3. 3 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 9:14 am

    ThaiCrisis:

    Watch this before making any judgment.
    http://www.nationchannel.com/special090408.php

    Abhisit and Somchai might look and sound eerily similar but you are encouraged first look into the many differences between Yellow and Red Shirts.

  4. 4 ThaiCrisis 8 April 2009 at 9:20 am

    And your point is…. ?

    Of course there are “differences” between Yellow and Red ! The first one is that… they don’t agree with each others. 😉

    That was not my point. I was just pointing the fact that we have now an insane symmetry. A mirror effect. To see Abhisit complaining about the protests, and the “violations of law” is surreal, when we all know that Abhisit came to power thanks to…. the protests.

  5. 5 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 9:24 am

    I do not believe that people motivated by payouts to instigate violence will be that powerful, compared to those who took to the street because of their true conviction.

    Which one between Red and Yellow falls into which category?

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to think through.

    Take a look at this news and pictures. Let your friend translate it.

    http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9520000039861

  6. 6 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 9:28 am

    No, that is not symmetry, though it may seem.

    First of all, Abhisit and Somchai are totally opposite personalities. Each of them came to power with totally…totally different mentality.

    Abhisit came to power because he was voted with existing majority in the parliament.

    What do think the Yellow Shirt took to the street for? (Let us first make clear on this issue.)

  7. 7 ThaiCrisis 8 April 2009 at 9:35 am

    Symmetry of words and situation… of course not about personality…

    Abhisit was “elected”. Sure. Somchai also. And Samak too. Symmetry.

    Looking at PAD protests before december, Abhisit was saying “dissolution”. Now confronted to UDD protests, he says “no dissolution”. Symmetry.

    And eventually, ridicule for himself.

    How can you support someone who takes such great care to lose all his credibility ?

    And what about the “violations of the law” ? Abhisit was very silent a few months ago about the violations of the law (airport, Government’s House). And now, he’s complaining… Of course : because those “violations” are against… him.

    Irony, cruel irony.

    What we’re seeing today is very simple : “Live by the sword, die by the sword”.

    I understand that Abhisit and his friends might not be very happy about it, of course, but this is the harsh reality.

    The situation is not “normal”, the “political stability” hasn’t returned, the country is deeply divided, to the contrary of Abhisit’s statements last week.

  8. 8 Bedwyr 8 April 2009 at 9:37 am

    @ChineseThai: (just when we were getting used to doing without your nonsense).

    Yes of course, everyone looks to ‘The Manager’ for objective reporting.

    Bedwyr

  9. 9 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 9:39 am

    So Abhisit did not come to power because of the Yellow Shirts, did he?

  10. 10 ThaiCrisis 8 April 2009 at 9:44 am

    Not “because”. “Thanks to” is more appropriate.

    Again, I don’t understand what you are trying to say. Thanks to make your point in a clear way.

  11. 11 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 9:52 am

    We should revisit Yellow Shirt’s main agenda last year. It was not just plain support of the Monarchy but there were many more.

    What the Yellow Shirt said was to stop Samak and later Somchai from amending the laws that would result in giving amnesty or undoing Thaksin’s corruption verdicts. They did not call for Abhisit to replace Somchai as PM. And in fact, inside the Yellow Shirt itself, there are so many factions in itself. One of the leaders is a Democratic MP, of course. But Chamlong and Sondhi are not. They even once signaled their ideas to establish a new political party to run in the next election but were met with dissatisfaction within the supporters as this was not yet the right time. The other 3 Yellow Shirt leaders were even ex-communists, 1 of whom, named Terdpoom Jaidee, worked as Thaksin’s power branch in the Northeastern Region.

  12. 12 John 8 April 2009 at 9:53 am

    ChineseThai is part of the Chinese circus that’s all. It’s hard for yellow addicts to honestly assess facts. It’s like they’ve got an ideological prejudice that’s hardwired in their brains…

  13. 13 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 10:01 am

    My point is it is not quite a symmetry between Somchai VS Abhisit or Red VS Yellow here. But Pro-Thaksin wants this to look like a symmetry. He is trying to turn his self-serving agenda into a Class War (Elite VS Poor). And bingo!! Class War doesn’t take much to be understood by most political observers in the West.

    Thailand’s social structure is very different from that in the West. I’ll explain it later.

  14. 14 Bangkok Pundit 8 April 2009 at 10:03 am

    ChineseThai: Aren’t they simply referring to Prem in the way that Sondhi L referred to him as (ie Pra ong tahn)? Shouldn’t you take that up with Sondhi L?

  15. 15 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 10:20 am

    John,

    That, I suggest you assess yourself before accusing me that way. Which part of my comment do you think I do not honestly assess facts? Please be specific and honest.

    Bangkok Pundit,
    I don’t get what you mean. Probably because of my weak command of English. Could you put it differently?

  16. 16 ThaiCrisis 8 April 2009 at 10:20 am

    Fair enough. Symmetry, mirror, inversed, reversed, total, partial… I guess all the nuances can be accepted.
    But I really believe that the debate is way beyond those technicalities.

    And yes, it is a class war. A class war that politicians use for their own gains of course… But still it’s a powerful underline. A real one.

    Times are changing CT. When you say that the social structures are very different that in the West… the differences are… on the timescale.
    Serfdom was very “fashion” in Europe 1000 years ago. 😉

    Okay it’s a little bit too far stretched, but it’s true. More and more thai people are fed up of the “thai social structures”… of the “puyai system”. Some of those people are thinking about these issues like intellectuals (academics, politicians etc.) Other people might be thinking less, but they “feel” it more, with their guts.

    The combination of both will lead to political changes in the country. Eventhough some groups are not happy about it.

    It’s unavoidable.

  17. 17 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 10:26 am

    ThaiCrisis:

    It is immature to judge it as Elite VS Poor. Culturally, Thais are not grouped horizontally (the West) but rather vertically (Puyai System).

    Whatever it is … let me ask you one thing. What would it be like if The Red Shirt prevail in the end? Will the much hated Puyai System go away?

  18. 18 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 10:29 am

    Oh…and another thing I should point out to you Westerners. Can you differentiate between Northern Thai, Northeastern Thai, Central Thai, and Southern Thai cultures? It gives you another key to understand Thailand before any rush to conclude that it is a class struggle.

  19. 19 ray 8 April 2009 at 10:33 am

    as we are blogging and all hell is about to break lose i believe thaksin is negotiating to get his 76 bilion baht back. and from d-day 8th april they have announced that this will go on for 3 days. the reds are just holding the country hostage for mr thaksin.

    well this is thailand. the mornachy is revered above anything else. i can understand that. but if u listen closely to red leadership at first they want new democracy less power for the king. then they change to democracy with the mornachy but no king’s advisors. then later they changed it again to only attacking only prem and surayud and demanding ousting the govt..

    was prem behing the coup? ofcourse.

    but why was the coup so well received? nad till today thaksin has now answered that. he simply cannot. democray for thaksin = thaksin only can win.

    basically yellow= good guys.. red = bad guys.

    i am listening to nathawud and he just changed his demand from house disolution to pm resign.
    and dont forget this is the same parliment that elected samak and somchai. then there was no problem.

    the red ppl have to finish this before songkran. and i expect violence anytime soon.

  20. 20 ThaiCrisis 8 April 2009 at 10:36 am

    Well it might be immature, or more certainly disturbing, but it’s certainly accurate from an historical point of view. The extreme vertical dimension will be flattened.

    What would happen if the Red Shirts prevail ? I don’t know. But probably not something very good… At least on the short term. We could expect… some violent purges.

    But that’s another debate. My point was to say : the old system is crumbling. A few politicians felt that, and they use this underline, as a leverage. Thaksin is one of them.

    This man has one quality : he has an accute political intelligence. Much more than all the other clowns, the old guards and even people like Abhisit (who is young, but who was designed, bred by the godfathers of the Democrat Party).

    Thaksin felt an historic opportunity, saw those underlines, those fault lines within the matter of the thai society. He is using them. Without any shame, and maybe for his own gains…

  21. 21 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 10:50 am

    ThaiCrisis:

    Unlike most European nations, Thailand is a diverse society. It is very important to understand this first than to be moved by the political agenda. It always sounds nice to say “Oh..that Pooyai System must be torn down”. I also wish that it shall be torn down.

    Pick a village in Nakornrajasima (Koraj), just 200 kms away from Bangkok. Visit it. It is very deep-rooted, beyond your comprehension as westerners. Thaksin regime is built around that Pooyai System, worse than his opponent.

  22. 22 Bangkok Pundit 8 April 2009 at 10:53 am

    Chinese Thai: What were you linking to the Manager story for? The words in the photos?

  23. 23 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 10:54 am

    (continued)
    And go to some similarly poor villages in, says, Krabi or Nakorn Srithammaraj. You’ll see the many differences in the villagers’ mindsets.

  24. 24 World Insanity 8 April 2009 at 11:22 am

    ONE-TWO-GO BANNED FROM EUROPEAN OPERATIONS

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/04/08/324950/blacklist-one-two-go-and-motor-sich-among-those-banned.html

    One-Two-Go is among those being formally banned from European Union operations, following an update to the EU’s ‘blacklist.’

    Thai operator One-Two-Go added to the list – subjected to a grounding order and close scrutiny following a fatal Boeing MD-82 crash in 2007.

  25. 25 fall 8 April 2009 at 11:45 am

    And them that take the sword, shall perish by the sword… so true.

    Abhisit is trapped.
    He can request a court order. If the court order a disband of protest(same as PAD), but does not reverse that order(differ from PAD). Then the justice system loose its hold on people and what follow would be an uprising.
    He can order military to squash the protest. But they are heavy hand and it take but one freighten soldier to cast the first stone.
    He can dissolve the parliament. But it’s too late for that now. Now, Suthep had traded too much horse and promised too many to go back.

    It would be fool if the Dem think they can keep repeating the same cycle this time.
    Mob. Clash. Death. Silver bullet/Coup.
    Too much new variables to result in same outcome…

  26. 26 Nigel Midnight 8 April 2009 at 11:49 am

    chinesethai:
    On what basis is Thailand more of a ‘diverse society’ then Europe nations. Have you been to Europe recently?

  27. 27 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 11:49 am

    Bangkok Pundit:

    Yes. I just wanted to point out that, like his alleged opponent, Thaksin himself seems to be reluctant to go for an all-out war. While he wants absolute victory, he fears defeat and, most importantly, for his life. While his Red Shirts have made clear about Thaksin’s agenda many times as shown in the picture, why is he not be straightforward and make that agenda crystal clear? Instead, he resorts to use the term ‘aristocracy’ or ‘elite’ and launch attack on the Chief Privy Councilor.

    Thaksin may have that acute political intelligence but such intelligence does seem to be giving him a guarantee of victory. He would have been finished, had he not had huge financial resources. A Thai saying goes “even a millipede can get tripped up”.

    Thaksin will not be defeated by Abhisit or his opponent, but by himself.

  28. 28 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Nigel,

    It is the same reason why EU is very successful as a union while ASEAN cannot. Read below.

    ThaiCrisis:

    Southern and Eastern Thais are much different from Northeastern Thais in terms of culture and way of thought. Most political observers equate Northeastern Thais with the entire poor people of Thailand. This premise is far from correct because it fails to address ancient history.

    Like E-Saan or Northeastern Thais, the majority of Southern and Eastern Thais are also very poor and not very educated but the notorious “Pooyai” Culture is very weak among them. Unlike their northeastern cousins, they closely follow the country’s political developments and usually are not moved by populist handouts. They are even more self-dependent than many Bangkokians. Half of the Yellow Shirts that you saw on TV taking to the street last year were southerners & easterners but western media conveniently but falsely interpreted them as “elites”.

    But the Red Shirts comprise almost entirely Northeastern people. They have a deep-rooted culture of listening to Pooyai, who they believe can give them protection. That’s why decentralization fails miserably there. Ask them who are the most powerful in their Tambons.

    I am amused that many of you western political observers think the Red Shirts are representing new force that will tear down Pooyai culture. The world is so diverse that what had happened in Europe cannot always entirely be applied to Asia.

  29. 29 ThaiCrisis 8 April 2009 at 1:11 pm

    I am amused that many of you western political observers think the Red Shirts are representing new force that will tear down Pooyai culture.

    They might continue the pooyai system… sure… but they would definitely destroy the current pooyai system !

    For that matter, yes they are a new politicial force.

  30. 30 whoopla 8 April 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Welcome back to the trough CT, we have missed your condescension and learning. Us medulla oblongata europeans have been fumbling around in the dark without your wise lessons in orientalism.
    By the way CT, where have you been letting off steam recently?

  31. 31 chinesethai 8 April 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Hi whoopla,

    I was bored of the political development in Thailand because neither sides moved. I am glad that Thaksin gets more serious now but again I don’t think he will have anything new. The economic figures may not look good but practically Thailand is not being hit that hard because Thai banks are still in pretty good shape (thanks to the political crisis over the past 3 years 🙂 So everybody did not expand too much.) I traveled to Mainland China and Taiwan for a short retreat and plum flowers. Chinese people on both sides are still out for shopping and eating. Armies of mainland tourists jam-packed Taiwan’s tourist attractions. I will be out of town this weekend to observe Songkran Holidays. I think people are not that frightened. 🙂

  32. 32 Nigel Midnight 8 April 2009 at 4:39 pm

    chinesethai, I am very aware of the ethic and regional background of Thailand. European countries have a much more cultural & ethnicity diversity then Thailand can ever imagine (or wants to have). Thailand is not that much above Japan for diversity of it’s Citizens. Go for a walk around London some time, and you will find that it’s population has come from all over the world, not just around it’s borders.

    > But the Red Shirts comprise almost entirely Northeastern people.
    I did not know that places like Chiang Mai, and Chiang Rai are part of E-Saan. Bloody google earth is wrong again 🙂

  33. 33 Tarrin 9 April 2009 at 1:00 am

    > Nigel I would assume that your statement about Chieng Mai and Chieng Rai are part of E-Saan a sarcastic one? If those 2 main northern provinces are considered as E-saan, so…. what is there in the north of thailand?

    >Chinesethai seeing you arguing and raising point, I wish to know, what do you think the Thai should do to move their politic forward?? I’m really curious

  34. 34 chinesethai 9 April 2009 at 2:49 am

    Nigel,

    I agree with you in that sense. Toronto is another obvious case. I am an ex-Torontonian. However, the diversity that London, Toronto and most western cities have is the result of the recent migration either from people of their colonies or from skilled migration schemes. That is diversity in westerner’s sense. What if you consider only white population within England or Portugal?

    In the case of Thailand, culturally and ethnically Thailand has been diverse since ancient times. And I am going to explain below.

    “I did not know that places like Chiang Mai, and Chiang Rai are part of E-Saan. Bloody google earth is wrong again”
    You asked the right question just in time, Nigel!

    In ancient times, Chiangrai and Chiangmai were part of Lanna Tai Kingdom, whose culture, tradition and language were much closer to Lanxang, Louang Prabang, and Champasak, which are today’s Lao P.D.R., because of exchanges. Ayudhya Kingdom in Central Thailand, whose cultural legacy can still be felt in Radanakosin or Bangkok today, later annexed both Lanna Tai, Lao, as well as Cambodia into its own territory. That happened before the French arrived and took Lao and Cambodia as their colonies and liberated them as sovereign countries later on. Upon annexation, Ayudhya and Radanakosin also forced migration of a number of Lao people, who became today’s Northeastern people. These people then settled in today’s E-Saan. Nigel, their culture, way of life, way of thinking still has much resemblance to those of their cousins in Lao P.D.R. than Central or Southern Thailand.

    Nigel, during King Rama V period, the governors appointed by Bangkok to govern both regions still treated both Northern and Northeastern Thais as Lao People. They considered Chiangmai and Chiangrai as “Lao Chiang”, which means “Diagonal Lao People” to differentiate them from “Lao People” in E-Saan because of their very similar culture.

    Central Thai culture has much more to resemble Khmer (Cambodian) and Mon. Southern Thai culture is the result of migration southward and formed their unique culture.

    Let alone Chinese, Mon, Khmer, Karen, Suay, Tai Songdam, Tai Yai, Tai Noi, Tai Puan, Malay…… a lot more. They have their own cultures.

  35. 36 Vox Populi 9 April 2009 at 11:38 am

    @ CT

    Europe’s not diverse? Rather a silly idea.

    Ethnic diversity? Place a Scandinavian next to a Turk.

    Religious diversity? Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam

    Economic diversity? Compare the U.K. and Albania.

    If you wanted to claim that the U.K. is less diverse than Thailand, you might have a better hope of succeeding–only you’d still be wrong. Try going up to a Glaswegian and telling him that he’s essentially the same as an Englishman and see what happens.

    What really irritates me about many Thais is that when they make the (arguably true) assertion that most Westerners don’t have a deep understanding of Thai culture, they somehow assume that the reverse doesn’t apply to them, and that while Europeans will never understand the myriad complexities of Thai culture, the Thais have an instinctive and in depth grasp of every aspect of “the West.”

    Just how long have you lived in Europe, CT?


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