Abhisits uses thugs as counter-protesters… Asean Summit canceled… mini state of emergency of 6 hours

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Here they are. Who ? The Blue Shirts ! It’s new. It’s fresh. It’s the new spring trend. It’s designed.

The corrupted thai press and government present them as “local people” from Pattaya, who want to defend the Asean summit and foreign leaders. A bunch of good citizens ! 😉

The pictures I think are very clear. And videos here and there.

Thugs versus thugs (read the article on TJTS)

Violence occured saturday morning… People were wounded… The Red Shirts outnumbered the Blue Shirts… And they stormed the press center. Asean summit was canceled.

Abhisit is weak. And he’s a coward. He doesn’t want to use the police or the army because he’s such a “democracy lover”… He has an image to preserve… A public to entertain like a bad actor.

So instead the government seems to rely on a very old tactic to do the dirty job : the third party (Thailand is the land of third party).

It’s convenient to hide behind.

It’s pathetic.

Furthermore, Abhisit like a little boy wanted to save face with the Asean Summit… He repeated “no problem, everything is normal” (like last week in London), the summit will take place…

Too bad… Summit canceled. Thailand is losing face. And Abhisit is already way beyond that point

The Chinese prime minister, New Zealand prime minister, Japanese prime minister and South Korean president could not leave their hotels to attend the Asean plus dialogue partners summit. The hotels were blocked by the red-shirted protesters. (Nation)

Sources said a decision has been made to postpone the summit to a later date, in effect cancelling it.

PM’s Office Minister Satit Wongnongtoey said the government might be forced to “raise the level of law enforcement”. An announcement is on the way, he said. (Nation)

UPDATE
The Blue Shirts Thugs are obviously not enough.

So Abhisit has declared the state of emergency in Chonburi. (Nation)

Prime Minister Abhisit announced on TV that the government announced state of emergency in Pattaya and Chon Buri following the raid of the summit venue.

Abhisit said Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban was assigned to enforce the emergency law to control the situation.

He said the government had made sure that all Asean leaders and other foreign leaders would leave the country safely.

UPDATE 2
And 6 hours later… Abhisit lifts the state of emergency. 😉

I think he’s looking for an article into the Guinness Book of Records… Category “non sense” or “ridicule” or “fickleness”.

Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said the government decided to lift the emergency law in Pattaya after all leaders of the Asean Summit left the country safely.

The decision came after the law is imposed six hours ago after the red shirted protesters broke into the press hall of the Asean Summit in Pattaya.

Speaking in a press conference at the press centre in Pattaya at about 7.15pm. The laws were imposed 1.30pm. (Nation)

81 Responses to “Abhisits uses thugs as counter-protesters… Asean Summit canceled… mini state of emergency of 6 hours”


  1. 1 Tarrin 11 April 2009 at 6:21 am

    How did you know that the blue is part of security service??

    Anyway, I’m against all kind of violence and I think the red step up their movement too early and this demonstration will go to naught.

  2. 2 ThaiCrisis 11 April 2009 at 6:36 am

    Look at those nice “citizens”… so concerned by their city… so well organized… so concerned with the well being of Asean summit members… with such nice uniform… Who tried to… actually do the work of the security services (the official ones) by preventing the Red Shirts to come to close.

    Indeed, good citizens.

    Such little private army is a classic tactic, when things turn uggly. In Thailand it’s the famous “third party” syndrome.

  3. 3 thaichris 11 April 2009 at 6:42 am

    @TC

    Blog’s like yours make the governement weak. Why you don’t recognize that your ‘political’ comments support Thaksin. And Thaksin only aimes to destroy Thailand.

    The RED mob just started to destroy a hotel in Pattaya – private property not belonging to the governement and not involved in politics. Where are your comments about this inacceptable behaviour. Or maybee this are also security services in red shirts?

    Anyhow Abhisit can do whatever he wants. You will never accept it. You and all the other foreign lad’s will even complain when he steps down.

    On the other hand – you should thank you the RED. They make the crisis come true. Actions like occupying a hotel and closing the airpüort (the airport was closed by the authorities and not by the YELLOW) create the negative image of Thailand. Think about it and focus rather on your statistics than making comments about politics

  4. 4 George P Tuckeer 11 April 2009 at 6:43 am

    When he was on the other side, Newin organized some Red thugs against the PAD.

    This morning I saw a TV image of Newin all dressed in blue. Coincidence?

    Even if Newin is involved, it doesn’t necessarily mean the government is involved or that it was aware of his moves. Like Takshin, Niwin is only for himself.

  5. 5 ThaiCrisis 11 April 2009 at 6:52 am

    This is rather tasty : I’ve created the crisis. 😉

    I’ve already explained my position. Just take a few minutes to peruse the archives of my blog… from june 2007. The Junta… Then Samak… then Somchai. And you’ll see that I never supported those people. I criticised them, exactly like Abhisit now.

    Can’t you see that you remain prisonner of the binary system and the Potemkin Village : you say “red shirts have destroyed an hotel it’s very bad”… so what ? Somebody else will answer “yellow shirts shut down an airport and occupied for 3 months the Government House it was very bad”… etc.

    The system is broken. The crisis took very long time to mature… It’s engrained. It’s not like a little fart, for which the media could be responsible.

    Abhisit can’t do nothing about it. Bloggers or foreigners can’t do nothing about it.

    The question is not to “create” a bad image for Thailand ! This is not a show, a picture, a virtual reality. This is not a one time little inconvenience , something that bother like a mosquito.

    People refuse to understand the fundamental causes of the crisis… Fair enough.

  6. 6 commons 11 April 2009 at 6:55 am

    @tc: in general i like ur blog.

    what’s happening right now… has gone way too far. i just give u 3 clips to ponder:

    1) bangkok pundit quotes: “As publicly known that the supporters of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) or so-called Red Shirts would come to the site of the ASEAN meetings in the Eastern city of Pataya and prevent all guest countries from associating with the current Thai government deemed illegitimate and illegal,…”

    pls read again: “… prevent all guest countries from associating with the current Thai government.”

    may i ask who are the reds? they behave like thaksin overseas; as some kind of extra-judicial entities.

    *…

    2) there’s more on the storm of hotel in pattaya. i just give u this:

    “Arisman Pongruangrong, a red-shirted leade, directed protesters to raid inside the Royal Cliff Beach Resort Hotel to hunt for Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

    After the protesters broke inside the building of the hotel at 12:50 pm, Arisman kept on urging protesters to go inside to look for Abhisit and to disrupt all Asean meetings.”

    it’s from Nation so let’s see if it’ll stand validation. again i ask, who are the reds? who is Jakrapob? who is Arisman Pongruangrong?

    this is mere & pure agitation.

    if these people are future of a democratic thailand…

  7. 7 commons 11 April 2009 at 7:18 am

    i’m sorry, i forgot 3rd clip. actually it’s good, as there had been a update:

    3) “3 pm – PM Abhisit has just declared a state of emergency in Chonburi and Pattaya.

    I am suspending my blog entries now. The reds have left the building, having secured their ”victory.” The lobby is strewn with bits of plate glass.

    I have just received an SMS from a royalist People’s Alliance for Democracy supporter, saying ”This is Thug-sin work of art, a masterpiece. WE ARE ON THE SIDE LINE. U’ll hear of us soon.””

    it comes from strait times blogger who covered events last days.

    a) anybody who actually can use a word like “victory” under these circumstances must be completed deluded. i’d say… we all should be frightened to death.

    b)there’s been a lot of talk, udd would represent an authentic call for a some clean fine democracy. though it ever eluded me what that in general might be & how it is to be implemented. today shows us what had been said ag & ag, that in reality udd is nothing but a hell-fire org for Jakrapop Penkair’s, Arisman Pongruangrong’s & other former trt-power-mongers. & as usual… it’s people they claim to talk for… that will suffer.

    c) now asean is cancelled. abhisit declared “state of emergency” — what else is he supposed to do? red’s disperse, thaksin laughs his head off…

    d) this is truelly frightening!

  8. 8 John 11 April 2009 at 7:56 am

    Blue, yellow and red: that’s Romania’s flag by now!

    Nicolae Ceausescu thought he was in control too. But at the end, the very people he was spitting on caught him and brought him to his end… And the all powerful securitate fell in oblivion as well.

    Abhisit & co may try to trick the happening of democracy in Thailand but time is not in their favor: one way or another democracy shall prevail at the end!

  9. 9 thaichris 11 April 2009 at 8:05 am

    @tc

    I didn’t mean that YOU created the crisis. What I wanted to say is that now you got the crisis you have been looking for. And it is ‘Made in Thailand’.

    And regarding your attacks on Abhisit. You are right. You also critizized the junta, Samak and Somchai. But you didn’t attack them from day 1, maybe after a month in office but not from day 1. I remember that you mentioned the day Abhisit was elected that you will sit back, watch and not critizise for two weeks. But it took you only 24 hours until you blamed him the first time in your blog. That is why I can not take you serious if you write something about Abhisit. You don’t like him. Fullstop.

    I would preferred to see that Abisit would have been given a chance like every new PM in every country (the famious 100 days). But Abhisit hasn’t been given this chance. From no side.

    I still think, that uner the current circumstances he is the best option Thailand has. Or do you see any other way on the short term? Maybe Jakrapop or Arisman for PM?

  10. 10 Mythbuster 11 April 2009 at 8:17 am

    Just another perfect demonstration that the Thai government , the Royal Thai Army and the Royal Thai Police are nothing but incompetent and corrupt buffons.

    This will not go down well with the Chinese and other ASEAN leaders, who must have freaked out at some point, when they were trapped in their hotels, and later evacuated by helicopters.
    Expect another big fall out for Thailand.
    In the meantime, the silence is deafening don’t you think ?

  11. 11 fall 11 April 2009 at 8:31 am

    @George P Tuckeer

    And I thought only me see that on TV. There was Suthep and Newin in that group and strangely enough, no media is having a field day over that…

    Yellow, Red, Blue… keep coming out, you color-coded group! Soon, I’ld have to go to work shirtless.

  12. 12 DavidB 11 April 2009 at 8:38 am

    John, the big fear many people who live in Thailand ( alrge number of Thais & most expats)is, that what we saw today – mob rule – will be the way forward.
    This is not democracy in action.
    This is a bunch of thugs led by ‘bully boys” like Arisamum and “dreamers” with big egos, such as Jakrapob – all having their collective chains pulled from behind, by Thaksin.
    Give all Thai people a chance for REAL democracy and a fair-go for the under privilaged – that’s what all the “canon-fodder” people want and deserve.
    This is not that.

  13. 13 ThaiCrisis 11 April 2009 at 9:03 am

    Real democracy = elections.

    Elections = return of TRT-PPP or whatever name Thaksin forces + opponents to Democrat Party, to military, to conservators will take.

    Elections = threat to status quo

    Status quo is essential, vital before the royal succession…

    Therefore : make your own conclusions. It’s easy… We will have political crisis (magnified by economic crisis) until the royal succession is settled.

    Abhsit can show his little fists… Thaksin can make phones calls… it won’t change the core of the problem.

    To believe in a miracle solution, that would arise next week, is just plain gullibility.

    The situation will be volatile (at the best) until the royal succession. Minimum. Because after, it could also create issues… Even worse…

    HOW ON EARTH PEOPLE COULD THINK THAT THE TRANSITION WILL BE SMOOTH… AFTER A REIGN OF MORE THAN 60 YEARS ?

    The country is unstable.

    I repeat : the country is and will remain unstable.

    I mean why is that so difficult to understand ? And to accept ?

    Am I the only one to see through ?

  14. 14 DavidB 11 April 2009 at 9:21 am

    TC, You are correct in what you say.
    My fear is,what is ahead of us, is bad enough anyway.
    But, when you put someone like Thaksin into the mix,the consequences are frightening.

  15. 15 World Insanity 11 April 2009 at 9:46 am

    ASEAN, in July 2008, handed Thailand 18 months, as opposed to the traditional 12 months, at the helm as Asean’s Chairman of the Standing Committee. Due to the regrettable shock cancellation of the Asian summit in Pattaya this role may now come under review.

  16. 16 hobby 11 April 2009 at 9:49 am

    I agree about the instability on succession issue, but thats really on a part of the problem because even in the the princess steps in for the prince, the underlying network is still in place and so will the inequality and some people being above the law.

    I also (still) think you have been much harsher on Abhisit than you ever were on Samak, Somchai or Thaksin.

    Abhisits been in a very difficult situation, but two big mistakes were not getting rid of Kasit, and not being seen to be more proactive in bringing the PAD leaders to justice.
    (If he had done that, he would have been well justified in using the full force of the law and security forces to stop any protest from overstepping the mark)

    I dont expect PAD to be calling for the death penalty for the likes of Jakrapob & Arisaman (for obvious reasons), but the ASEAN summit storming on top of the BKK traffic blocking ranks up there with the PAD govt house & airport occupations.

    Will they all end up in jail or all get off scot free?

    When the dust settles on this latest nonsense, the political reform process needs to include some sort of permit system to stage protests, or no government will ever be able to do anything due to the sheer numbers of gullible and bloodyminded people that seem to be on tap in Thailand.

  17. 17 chinesethai 11 April 2009 at 9:56 am

    ThaiCrisis:

    Real democracy = elections.

    Peoples Republic of China also has its own elections. Do they have real democracy?

    What do you think about Indonesia and the Philippines? They have their own constitutions, elections, House of Reps, Presidents, secretaries and what not. Do they have real democracy?

    Most African nations also have elections. How are they now?

    Back to the issue of the Blue Shirt. If you claim that Abhisit is behind the Blue Shirt, then you just contradict your own comment that Abhisit is toothless, correct.

    You are already correct that Abhisit is toothless. As a Thai citizen, I am also very angry about Abhisit for his 0% courage to exercise power.

    FACT?
    You obviously haven’t heard of the Blue Shirt before. The Blue Shirt belongs to Nevin’s faction. Actually, the Blue Shirt defected from the Red Shirt. Obviously, you are not aware that both colours have once clashed in Buriram when the Red Shirt threw rocks and fired bullets in front of his house in Buriram. That happened only a day after he announced giving his support to Abhisit.

    Thailand’s English language media has disadvantages because news has to be translated into English while the situation keeps changing. CNN and BBC are also useless. Most of these journalists thought they were the experts but obviously they are telling you craps or half-truth such as the clip of Yellow Shirt shooting. They got shot first. The Yellow Shirt has to protect themselves when the police has taken the Red site. If you were them, would you be a sweet target? Common sense.

    The country is unstable, yes. But if you are a well-wishing outsider and have that morality and neutrality, you are supposed to denounce anybody that will destroy this country, right?

    And……may I re-post this?

    90 Year-Old Mother of Jatuporn Prompan, Red Shirt Leader, calls her son to stop instigate chaos. “My son has not come home to visit me for 6 years.”

    http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9520000040302

    So what did Jatuporn reply? “She is just an illiterate villager.” (From Pro-Thaksin Matichon Online)

    http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1239250104&grpid=03&catid=01

    Is the Red Shirt were the force for good when its leader has such background, deserting even his own mother?

  18. 18 chinesethai 11 April 2009 at 10:07 am

    (More)
    Nevin is taking revenge on Thaksin. Have you watched his blunt warning on the Red Shirt the other day on TV? He spoke softly and shed some tears but is acting harshly.

    DavidB,

    You are correct. Thaksin is just complicating the situation here. The future is frightening enough even without Thaksin.

  19. 19 commons 11 April 2009 at 10:10 am

    @John:

    i was in europe when Nicolae Ceausescu was brought down. the “televised revolution” it was called, right? sorry, but as far as i remember, that was a coup launched by factions of the securitate.

    also, besides illustrative language u’re using… — do you want to imply there’s a Nicolae Ceausescu running thailand? u must be nuts.

  20. 20 chinesethai 11 April 2009 at 10:25 am

    thaichris:

    But I think Abhisit looks incompetent in this case. I trust him in solving the economic crisis. But this event has proved that he is weak when it comes to dirty tactics.

    To show that you are democratic doesn’t mean that you cannot be a tough guy. Abhisit is repeating what General Surayut Chulanond did 2 years ago by not acting decisively. That Dec 23rd election is the turning point that has brought us all the way to today’s unnecessary instability.

    thaicris, I have the mindset of a Chinese. China doesn’t fear anything when it comes to the issue of national security. As long as you stick to the Principle of national interest, you don’t need to care about all the criticism from outsiders like human right and press freedom. Those are just cheap bargaining chips. As long as Thailand has the things they need, they’ll stop ranting.

  21. 21 Bedwyr 11 April 2009 at 10:35 am

    Abhisit now has no face at all. He has probably thought about killing himself. This was the single worst outcome conceivable for hi. Now the whole world knows he cannot even protect visiting heads of state and other dignitaries much less run the country.

    I can just imagine the talk he just had with Prem.

    The whole pile of shit just fell on Abhisits head. Now he cannot win. Whatever he does, he loses. We are now probably in the endgame.

    Bedwyr

  22. 22 ThaiCrisis 11 April 2009 at 10:45 am

    I also (still) think you have been much harsher on Abhisit than you ever were on Samak, Somchai or Thaksin.

    It’s because… I’m running out of patience.
    😉

    No the real reason is : Samak didn’t pretend to be smarter than other people… Samak was proud to be a… monster… So there was no deception. Somchai didn’t pretend to be something else than just a plug into a hole…

    Abhisit has indeed this great vice : he thought he could fool us. The thai people and the world.

    Tell me guys : who believed on december 6 when the Democrat Party announced their Frankenstein Coalition, that he would have luck ?
    https://thaicrisis.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/coup-de-theatre-democrat-party-announces-a-new-coalition/

    And then thanks to a magic stick, to his smile, and his hair cut, and his trip to Davos and his interview to CNN, “political stability would return” (like Abhisit said in London). Everything would be cool, sabai, no problem… ! I mean : wake up.

    His job, taken in grotesques conditions (yeah, super ! Newin you’re my new buddy! ), was doomed. I mean come one : here we are talking about DECENCY. Just decency, not even politics.

    To hear people talking about “democracy” in such conditions (“oh yeah this change of coalition happens all the time in parliamentary democracies believe me, everything is cool”) is just surreal.

    And it’s laughable to say, like CT, that Abhisit could, can or even dream of…. solving the economic crisis.

    Abhisit is already inside the History garbage dump. The only problem : he doesn’t know it yet.

    The destiny of Abhisit was written all over the walls, right from the beginning. All this non sense about “Change, yes we can” was plain bullshit.

    Abhisit is a toy. A toy with which the country is losing time.

    BUT WE DON’T HAVE TIME. TIME IS RUNNING OUT

  23. 23 thaichris 11 April 2009 at 10:48 am

    @TC

    I fully agree:

    The country is unstable. I understand. And I accept.

    And that is why I think Abhisit is the right PM in these days. As DavidB said: You put Thaksin into the mixer and the shit hits the fan. Abhisit is the guarantee to keep Thaksin outside. And the question of RED and YELLOW is: Thaksin or not Thaksin.

    I also agree: Succession is the key. Thailand will fall into agonie for 3 month when it happens. And the succession is not yet defined. It will be decided by the Privy Council lead by Prem. This is the reason why the RED (lead by Thaksin) go after Prem. Prem might not choose Thaksin’s favorite.

    Will it happen soon? I’m not too sure. It could easily take another 10 to 20 years. His mother was over 100. Everybody in the royal family became very old. And medical treatment can keep people alive for a long time. Look at the previous pope.

    So let’s live with instability, let’s accept it and enjoy the moment (and have an exit strategy just in case).

  24. 24 chinesethai 11 April 2009 at 10:55 am

    Bedwyr:

    We are not even close to the endgame yet. While Abhisit looks imcompetent, Thaksin is tripping himself up. Chiangmai people are very angry and will turn against Thaksin. Tourists are angry.

    I already said that, as a foreign observer, you should not rush to a premature conclusion.

    Red Shirt Protesters closed Chiangmai’s Superhighway during the peak time, Songkran.

    http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9520000041324

    Chiangmai is Thaksin’s main stronghold but what is he doing to it? Complete disaster to Chiangmai economy.

  25. 25 thaichris 11 April 2009 at 10:59 am

    @TC

    … Abhisit is a toy. A toy with which the country is losing time.

    BUT WE DON’T HAVE TIME. TIME IS RUNNING OUT …

    Yes, again, you are right. But who? WHO? WHO? WHO else?

    There is no alternative. So why spend money for new elections, have RED win again, have YELLOW come out again, have Abhisit elected again, have … again? Lost of time and money.

    There is an alternative but he will not go against his buddy. So

    WHO? WHO? WHO?

  26. 26 ray 11 April 2009 at 11:06 am

    believe it or not. according to senior correspondent mr suthin wallabut who was at the summit he reports that it was the army/police who led the red shirts into the building..

    i believe him. the police/soem army are still loyal to thaksin( bought )..

    u can see a huge difference in how the situation was contained during the pad rally. right now in thaiand i can say mob rules!!

    the cops are afraid to enforce the law due to human rights.

  27. 27 World Insanity 11 April 2009 at 11:17 am

    ‘As bad as airport closures’

    http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_362329.html

    BANGKOK – THE cancellation of a high-profile Asian summit in Thailand because of political unrest and the declaration of a state of emergency in the venue area is a catastrophe for tourism, sector officials said on Saturday.

    The disorder in the resort town of Pattaya would mean losses worth no less than the estimated 130 billion baht (S$5.6 billion) caused by the closure of Bangkok’s two main airports late last year during previous unrest, Kongkrit Hiranyakij, president of the Tourism Council of Thailand, said.

    Charoen Wangananon, spokesman of the Federation of Thai Tourism Association, told TV: ‘I can’t begin to say how it will affect us. Today’s events have been as bad as the airport seizure and this has badly hurt the industry.’

    Thailand earns about 540 billion baht from tourism annually, and in a normal year about 14 million foreign tourists visit the country, Mr Kongkrit said.

    Tourists from the 15 countries whose leaders were at the Pattaya summit account for more than 60 per cent, 8.5 million tourists a year, he said.

    ‘For sure, they will question whether it is safe for them to come here following the poor security for their leaders this time round,’ he said.

    ‘The impact will not only be for Pattaya town but the whole tourism industry and we think it will continue to pull back the industry over the next six to nine months,’ he said. — REUTERS

  28. 28 World Insanity 11 April 2009 at 11:22 am

    Round Two: Everyone Loses

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/11/headlines/headlines_30100288.php

    Even though Thaksin Shinawatra may be laughing, there is no winner after the Pattaya infamy.

    Pattaya will lose billions of baht. Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has lost his face, and his job is under greater threat. To other Thais, Songkran has been pretty much spoiled. Thailand’s image as a whole has taken a new hit. Economically struggling Asean has to defer discussing some crucial plans. The red-shirted movement, while having achieved a key objective of preventing the Asean summit with dialogue partners, can’t be content with the glaring truth that, like its rival People’s Alliance for Democracy, it has become its own worst enemy.

  29. 29 ThaiCrisis 11 April 2009 at 11:23 am

    ThaiChris : I don’t have any idea !

    Well just one : the Princess.

    It’s difficult to see (now) a man, a politician who could have the vista, the power to solve the problem.

    That’s the tragic part.

  30. 30 World Insanity 11 April 2009 at 11:25 am

    S’poreans advised against travel to Thailand’s Pattaya

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/421687/1/.html

    The list of countries issuing (negative) travel advice on Thailand continues to expand – Singapore being the latest.

  31. 31 InPhuket 11 April 2009 at 11:27 am

    Finally a decently written article:

    “Pattaya will lose billions of baht. Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has lost his face, and his job is under greater threat. To other Thais, Songkran has been pretty much spoiled. Thailand’s image as a whole has taken a new hit. Economically struggling Asean has to defer discussing some crucial plans. The red-shirted movement, while having achieved a key objective of preventing the Asean summit with dialogue partners, can’t be content with the glaring truth that, like its rival People’s Alliance for Democracy, it has become its own worst enemy…

    The rest of the article can be found here:
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/11/headlines/headlines_30100288.php

    My friends, what we have coming will be a low season like no other. Be prepared.

  32. 32 InPhuket 11 April 2009 at 11:28 am

    World Insanity beat me to the punch, by 5 min.

  33. 33 ThaiCrisis 11 April 2009 at 11:30 am

    World Insanity beat me to the punch, by 5 min.

    Indeed. Readers are… really motivated. 😉 Many comments…

  34. 34 chinesethai 11 April 2009 at 12:02 pm

    LATEST DEVELOPMENT:

    “Democratic” Red Shirts may move to seize Chiangmai International Airport just to go after one guy, Nevin Chidchob.

    http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9520000041353

  35. 35 Thai Insanity 11 April 2009 at 12:05 pm

    In case its not been noticed Thailand Crisis Blogroll has recently taken on a growth spurt.

  36. 36 Thai Insanity 11 April 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Re Chinesethai post: “Democratic” Red Shirts may move to seize Chiangmai International Airport just to go after one guy, Nevin Chidchob.

    Sounds like it won’t be long until the military have to step in to take control of the Country again!

  37. 37 Prokster 11 April 2009 at 12:15 pm

    This calls for much imagination and scenario fashioning.
    Lets start with the PM. What can he do? Resign and stand for re-election? Dissolve parliament and try his luck? Let the thugs have a go at balancing things? Quietly support a coup and a graceful(ish) exit? Accept to nail the yellows, roll back the constitution and sack the FM?
    He has most to lose in several ways. He might not get the chance again. If he fancies himself as a wildcard survivor in these dark ages of Thai fuckwitery, why not call everyone’s bluff and punish PAD etc, and give them what they want re constitution?

    One can only guess the shirtlifter @ large has at least a swan song in him yet, if not an entire repertoire of badly sung oldieskullduggery classics.

    Widespread battles all over the north and north east, and sporadic events elsewhere are but hours…maybe days away at this rate.

    It seems to me both sides have / can dupe enough lemmings in to suicide knifer delirium, and I will not be venturing outside even if the booze runs out.

  38. 38 Prokster 11 April 2009 at 12:27 pm

    When police and army guys can get charged with murder and go through the grinding legal nightmare house, or get moved to bum-fuck-udon, or get fired…or generally see a damned hard time from slimy poo-yai…for riot control work…. Why risk it. Collectively this means they will let you take an airport, ASEAN meeting, let alone a ministry or two, half the city’s roads….. system broken. End of story.

    And with yellow shirt immunity now a national staple, there is no hope until someone with a very strong hand comes along and pleases nearly everyone. Or shoots them.

    The Thai Baht’s darkest hour will be old money panic. If that happens, for whatever reason, it will be as wild as the fall to 56 to the US$ 10 years back.

  39. 39 Bedwyr 11 April 2009 at 12:33 pm

    Violence, as abhorrent as it is and was, was inevitable, I said so no more than 2 days ago.

    We need to bear in mind the provocation the Red shirts have had. They have seen the PAD rewarded for what they did by a visit from the Queen. They have seen the judge rewarded for plotting the coup by appointment to the Privy Council. They have seen Surayud and Prem not trouble to deny they plotted the coup. They have seen the Army chief disobey lawful orders by the Prime Minister. They have seen no action taken against the PAD – FOR 5 MONTHS, and they have seen a PAD leader actually rewarded by being appointed to the government. They have heard Abhsisit make noises about law and order while, he was silent on the matter when PAD were doing their thing, and continues to say and do nothing while the leaders of PAD walk free still.

    And they have seen their elected government ejected twice, once illegally and once by collusion and conspiracy.

    They are fed up, and if anyone believes the King is somehow excluded from the animus they feel, they are crazy.

    Thailand is changing for ever.

    As much as violence is abhorrent, it is the only way that change will occur, given the feudal mentality that even now pervades Thai society. The elites really believe they have the right to rule, be unaccountable, and be able to suborn and break the rule of law with impunity.

    A lot of work has gone into what is happening right now. Permanent change is happening right now. If the government comes down hard the country is likely to explode.

    Thaksin is an unfortunate by-product but I believe a necessary component of this. I think that Prem, Surayud, Abhsist and the Palace are going to rue the day.

    Bedwyr

  40. 40 Bedwyr 11 April 2009 at 12:38 pm

    By the way…

    Did anyone notice how the Pattaya police force got their revenge on Abhisit?

    Poetic in a way.

    It wonlt be the only score that will be settled before this is over. I doubt Newin will be feeling very safe right about now, blue shirts notwithstanding.

    bedwyr

  41. 41 thaichris 11 April 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Abhisit liftet ’emergency decree’ and announced to go after the ones who declared todays battle ‘victorious’. Let’s see if he can. He have to or he is history.

  42. 42 Thai Insanity 11 April 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Thai PM declares lifting of emergency decree in Pattaya

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/11/content_11170045.htm

    Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva announced Saturday evening to lift the state of emergency in Pattaya, the venue of ASEAN and related summits which were earlier cancelled due to anti-government demonstrations.

    “I announced to lift the state of emergency (in Chonburi), and peace will be restored quickly,” Abhisit told a press conference at the media center for the summits at Royal Cliff hotel in Pattaya.

  43. 43 chinesethai 11 April 2009 at 1:07 pm

    thaichris:

    I don’t think he can.

    First things first, he needs to remove Patcharawat Wongsuwan and clean-sweep the police force. If he fails to do so, then he is finished forever. Thailand would then descend into a “complete” lawless situation.

    Abhisit can’t govern.

    No one wants Chalerm.

    Thaksin can’t come back.

    Election is not a solution.

    Coup is not possible as Anupong stays idle.

    The police only care about themselves.

  44. 44 Bangkok Pundit 11 April 2009 at 1:13 pm

    ThaiChinese stated “So what did Jatuporn reply? “She is just an illiterate villager.” (From Pro-Thaksin Matichon Online)”

    Jatupron was stating that after people surrounded his mother’s house, she was likely afraid and just said what she needed to say then to get by. He says his mother is just a normal villager and he is no one special.

  45. 45 ray 11 April 2009 at 1:14 pm

    if the queen had not gone to the pad funeral i believe they coud calm things down but alas she has already chosen sides. i still feel that thailand needs to invoke article #7 and have a royally appointed pm. the reds have said they are loyal to the monarchy so i dont think they will have a problem with this?

    elections/democracy is meaningless when u dont have law and order! the only polititian who predeicted all this was mr chingchai mongoltham of new aspirations party b4 the 23rd dec. he daid that the structure was way too weak and he was correct.

    i also believe suthep/surayud/anupong have a deal with thaksin. that is why they could not really go on the offensive. if the military comes out the reds win hands down!!

    i am thai and i see royally appointed pm as the way out.( i favour anand panyarachun)

  46. 46 thaichris 11 April 2009 at 1:16 pm

    @Bedwyr

    What do you see as an alternative to the current governement?

  47. 47 Bedwyr 11 April 2009 at 2:05 pm

    A 6-hour state of emergency?

    6 hours?

    The foreign people must be laughing their asses off at this guy and a 6-hour state of emergency.

    Perhaps he will use this national emergency to steal some more patented medicines…

    Jesus, Thais are so lame it is hard to fathom the true depth of their lame-ness.

    Bedwyr

  48. 48 Tarrin 11 April 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Seeing all the argument, I was wondering, wouldnt all this ever happen if there is not coup? no Sondhi Lim? not Yellow the the first place.

    I mean, because there was the yellow that’s why there’s red.

    Anyway, from opinions of people here, I notice that you people actually hate thaksin, but not the coup maker, why is that? i mean Thaksin is democratically elected but the coup maker came to power undemocratically, why nobody disgust them??

    Btw, Chinesethai, I think you shouldnt use manager as your source, you know who is the owner of manager right??

  49. 49 Thai Insanity 11 April 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Abhisit Refuses To Resign

    http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=403488 (MALAYSIAN NEWSAGENCY)

    Despite the security lapses that almost compromised the safety of eight other Asean Leaders, Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban refused to resign and take responsibility for the national embarrassment.

    Thai government spokesman Panithan Watanayagorn said the 44-year-old premier, who took over the helm in December last year, was not considering to resign.

    “The majority of the Thai people still support the Prime Minister and they do not wish him to resign,” Panithan told a media conference.

    Suthep, who is in charge of the security arrangements for the Summits, when asked the same question, said he would remain in office as there were some things that needed to be done.

    But he admitted that security for the summits was inadequate and the hundreds of police and soldiers were unable to prevent about 1,000 “Red Shirts” supporters of ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra from breaking through the security cordon.

    “Once the demonstrators saw that the security personnel were not armed and without heavy (defence) equipment, they pushed through. The government had already said that any measures against the protesters would not involve weapons but we have to review this,” he said.

    The incident forced the Thai government to call-off the Summits, causing much “red faces” among the organisers.

    Panithan insisted that at no time the safety of the leaders and other delegates were compromised during the mayhem.

    On accusations by Red Shirts’ leaders that their supporters were attacked and injured by pro-government people, Suthep said it was not true.

  50. 50 commons 11 April 2009 at 3:35 pm

    @: bedwyr

    “The elites really believe they have the right to rule, be unaccountable, and be able to suborn and break the rule of law with impunity.”

    in all times words like these might sound true. i’m just not sure i understand… _WHO_ are these “elites”?

    who? tell me, pls.

    around the world countries right now sacrifice what they believe to be their “citizens” for a bailout of systems that are doomed to perish. so i guess… u talk ab these elites, right?

  51. 51 commons 11 April 2009 at 3:42 pm

    @ bkk pundit:

    : qt.on

    Bangkok Pundit 11 April 2009 at 1:13 pm

    ThaiChinese stated “So what did Jatuporn reply? “She is just an illiterate villager.” (From Pro-Thaksin Matichon Online)”

    Jatupron was stating that after people surrounded his mother’s house, she was likely afraid and just said what she needed to say then to get by. He says his mother is just a normal villager and he is no one special.

    : qt.off

    sorry, i don’t understand this posting. we had Jatuporn’s mom saying she wants her son to “stop hurting country”. google it. now u say, that jatuporn stated sth, quote above.

    sorry, i will not believe anything jatuporn states. esp not if it comes w words like, “He says his mother is just a normal villager and he is no one special.”

    if that would be true, his actions would be different.

  52. 52 commons 11 April 2009 at 3:55 pm

    @tc:

    ” ThaiChris : I don’t have any idea !

    Well just one : the Princess.

    It’s difficult to see (now) a man, a politician who could have the vista, the power to solve the problem.

    That’s the tragic part.”

    ur blog is empowered by visions. _this_ one truelly is a wildcard.

  53. 53 chinesethai 11 April 2009 at 4:04 pm

    ฺBangkok Pundit:

    You should read the Thai version again.

    The point is his mother complained that her son has not visited her for 5 years.

    What is your opinion towards a man who has not visited his mother for 5 years? Something must be wrong about his morality. And something must be wrong about the morality of one who don’t see this as a problem.

  54. 54 fall 11 April 2009 at 4:04 pm

    @ChineseThai
    11 April 2009 at 1:07 pm

    …clean-sweep the police force. If he fails to do so, then he is finished forever. Thailand would then descend into a “complete” lawless situation…

    Very sound advice… that probably, in all the world, be ignore. Especially, not now where a mob could appear in BKK and police is the main line of defense.

    It would also create a dilemma for the next chief of police. They get beaten by the protester, then investigated for using tear gas and baton as excessive force. However, if they then get sack for NOT using them. The next chief of police would most likely join the protest himself…

  55. 55 Thai Insanity 11 April 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Questions are starting to be asked about Thailand’s ability to host another summit:

    New Zealand Prime Minister John Key said it was doubtful that Thailand would be able to host a rescheduled Asia summit anytime soon.

    ‘You have to question now whether that can go ahead because of the events over the past couple of days,’ he said through an official spokesman, who declined to be named saying he was issuing the statement on behalf of the prime minister.

  56. 56 George P Tuckeer 11 April 2009 at 4:53 pm

    @ World Insanity

    ‘As bad as airport closures’

    Yes, this event will adversly affect tourism.

    “Tourists from the 15 countries whose leaders were at the Pattaya summit account for more than 60 per cent, 8.5 million tourists a year, he said.”

    Is he saying that Thailand will lose 8.5 million tourists? Of course not. But he’s putting those numbers out there to create an impression. You have to take what these industry insiders say with a grain of salt becausing they are always angling for a government handout. You can be sure he’s telling a somewhat different version to the international press and a completely different version in memos to partners and affiliates in the travel industry.

    Yes, there will be great short term pain. Just as tourism bounced back from SARS in 2003, it’ll bounce back from this. The real tourism dampner is the nearly worldwide economic recession that could drag on for a while. But for the industry, there’s a better chance of a favored seat at the table of government largess if the blame for the slowdown can be laid at local issues and the government’s incompetence at handling them.

  57. 57 InPhuket 11 April 2009 at 6:00 pm

    There is a famous T-shirt here in Phuket, it states:

    “PHUKET, THAILAND
    2001 Bomb Alert
    2002 SARS
    2003 Bird Flu
    2004 Tsunami
    2005 Earthquake
    2007 Plane Crash
    What’s Next?”

    Now we know:
    2009 Plain Stupidity

  58. 58 ThaiCrisis 11 April 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Soon, they would need both side of the T-shirt… The list will continue to grow…

  59. 59 chinesethai 11 April 2009 at 6:18 pm

    fall:

    Abhisit has made mistakes since the beginning, the same way Surayud had. Both wanted to appear gentleman-like, polite, wearing velvet gloves, compromising, etc.

    He almost got killed 4 days ago in Pattaya. That’s enough for him to wake up. But he did not.

    It won’t create a dilemma to anyone as long as Abhisit begins to take off the velvet gloves and courageously stick to the principle.

    He has a number of personnel to consider if one or more should stay or go.

    Patcharawat Wongsuwan, National Police Chief
    Suthep Thuaksuban, Deputy PM on Security
    Anupong Paojinda, the Army Chief
    Sathit Wongnongtoey, Minister for PR

  60. 60 Bedwyr 11 April 2009 at 6:22 pm

    @ThaiChris:

    What do I see for Thailand?

    Well, free and fair elections without fear of the winning party being tipped out illegally or by conspiracy would be a good start.

    Bedwyr

  61. 61 Bedwyr 11 April 2009 at 6:25 pm

    @Commons:

    Who are the elites? Well I agree it is difficult to identify them, they love to work from the shadows – out of the light of day where people can see who they are nd they can be held accountable.

    One could start by following the money trail down from the Palace. Shouldn’t be too hard, 37bn USD in 60 years.

    Who are the elites? Who are those who need a shibboleth?

    Bedwyr

  62. 62 commons 11 April 2009 at 7:06 pm

    @chinesethai

    thx 4 for inspiring postings. i like this one a lot, ab jatuporn & his mother…:

    “And something must be wrong about the morality of one who don’t see this as a problem.”

    i guess that can be applied to many of the apparent events covered in this blog, “thai crisis”.

  63. 63 tum|bler 11 April 2009 at 8:27 pm

    “What is your opinion towards a man who has not visited his mother for 5 years? Something must be wrong about his morality. And something must be wrong about the morality of one who don’t see this as a problem.”

    It is quite common to find young adults in the West (sorry for generalising) who haven’t visited their parents for an extended period of time. Is something wrong with their morality?

    Also, for people who think Matichon is pro-Thaksin, all I can say is: Have you ever read Matichon?

  64. 64 whoopla 11 April 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Pattaya tends to bring out the worst in people. The attendees, both invited and not, from China, Myanmar, Vietnam etc. including our wallflower PM, are hardly exemplary figures of social and political inspiration. Regardless of what negotiations failed at the Summit hotel, it was guaranteed, by removing the nano-emergency that most transactions in Pattaya were fulfilled and flowing in a seminal fashion, and with US Navy on leave, Pattaya’s business tonight was probably a night like any other.

  65. 65 ThaiCrisis 11 April 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Nice piece Whoopla. “wallflower PM”, “nano-emergency”, “in a seminal fashion”…. That sounds good.

  66. 66 antipadshist 11 April 2009 at 9:53 pm

    wow ! TC, it looks like a record number of comments so far: 61 (with mine will be 62) ! 😀

    well, one thing I appreciate: naming them properly as they really are: THUGS. another thing, non the less – that indeed it was Abhisit, or more precisely Suthep who has employed them.

    what a STUPID move ! “for security” ?

    Arisman was already leading his Reds out after promising NOT to disrupt the Summit – they would’ve just left and Abhisit could simply go on hosting ASEAN. WHY Blue (= Yellow) were allowed to ambush Reds on the way out that time, on Friday night? !!!!!

    the only explanation I find: STUPIDITY of Suthep and perhaps Newin !

    naturally Reds got angry and called a back up from Bangkok, also promising ala Arnie in Terminator “I’ll be back” !

    so? Suthep & Co again called their bluff (or so they thought) and prepared their “Blue Security” on the way to Hotel – as if the WHOLE Thai Army + Police force are not enough to provide a “security” ? especially after Reds promised NOT to disrupt a summit?

    so, this was a 2nd MORONIC act ! straight in a row.

    army were simply passive by-standers doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING while “Blue” (= disguised Yellow thugs -guards) provoked Reds and again atacked them !!!

    Nirmal in his blog correctly refers to Bloomberg’s photo of “Blues” holding a gun – I checked it out and saw it too, here: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=az5.oUaBv.jg
    (click on Photos, then pic #3 )
    so, it is in international news already
    (well, we can’t expect spineless Thai MSM post such – can we? only disgraceful spins ala Yoon, Thanong, Sopon etc …)

    so, Reds chased away “Blues”, suffering injuries, collected evidences and held a Press Conference. they demanded police/ Suthep / Abhisit to find gunment within 1 hour. which actually wouldn’t have been hard for Suthep / Newin if they really wanted too – since anyway those were THEIR men ! (note that some official guy who said ‘we”l make investigation’ didn’t try to deny anything, netiher Suthep – only Newin makde denial)

    but of course, giving away gunmen would have meant exposing those behind the so called (by Suthep) “Normal local citizens” – which surely Suthep & Newin would never allow.

    therefore NOBODY was arrested or caught – in other words Reds’ demand wasn’t met. and that was at least 3rd MAJOR blunder by Suthep/ Abhisit ! not to mention several others – as army/ navy/ military doing nothing to stop Blue from attacking Reds, in fact blues hiding behind military.

    so, it was THEN, after these 3 things that Reds stormed the Hotel to “find Abhisit”. even THEN Abhisit, if he had any balls at all, could have saved the situation – if he could meet them and do whatever possible to calm them down, say, promise finding the gunmen, apologising for Blues attack, whatever ! I mean – even THEN Reds didn’t say they wanted to stop the Summit (did they? I haven’t seen any mentioning of it in news reports).

    so, it was Abhisit / Suthep who has cancelled the summit – the LAST and major blunder !

    therefore, I have no any pity for them both.

    TC rightly calls Abhisit a CLOWN.
    now he’s lost face so much – I wonder would he be able to smile anymore at all ?

    hahaha

  67. 67 John 12 April 2009 at 2:32 am

    The New York Times is pointing at a detail I did not know about:

    “The ability of protesters to breach security at a location relatively easy to protect — the venue is on a bluff overlooking the Gulf of Thailand and accessed only by two roads — raised questions about the functioning of the Thai government and its ability to manage its security forces.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/world/asia/12thai.html?_r=1&ref=asia

    just two roads… bravo abhisit ;-P

  68. 68 crocodilexp 12 April 2009 at 2:57 am

    The real clowns in this whole crisis are Thai security forces, army and the police.

    They could not protect a simple meeting in a hotel against a thread known weeks in advance. Of course, shooting the crowd would have been counterproductive… but all they had to do is hold a perimeter, put up a line that keeps the crowd out — how hard is that?

    Police is probably sympathetic to red shirts (loyal to Thaksin to start with and not eager to crack down on reds after fair amount of humiliation they suffered by the yellows), so they could not be counted on.

    Army, however, is a different story — corrupt and incompetent to the core. The generals bought a damn aircraft carrier, increased the budget by 60% percent during the coup, and they can’t even protect 10 VIPs. God forbid there was a major threat – with generals like these, if the Burmese decided to invade like in the bad old Ayutthaya days, they’d be in Bangkok within a week.

    ===
    It is laughable to compare the ASEAN summit protest with the airport closings. Latter was causing massive inconvenience to everyone (non-travelers included) and huge losses for the economy over a long period, former is a one-day showdown affecting just a handful of VIPs.

    Like it or not, it was a very effective way of showing that Abhisit is incompetent and has somewhat questionable legitimacy.

    When Abhisit was appointed, I had some hopes that he’d be able to pull off the mission impossible, hold the yellows (somewhat) accountable, and approach reconciliation. The only way to do this was to maneuver between both sides, and occasionally (gently?) bite the hand that put him into power… he seemed smart enough to realize before taking the post. Obviously, he’s not up to the task.

    Reds are thugs just like the yellows, but their primary demand is more sound — it’s “we want elections (which will bring back Thaksin)” vs. “we want ‘new politics’, which we have yet to define, but it roughly means gov’t is run by us, with no accountability to anyone (70% appointed parliament)”.

  69. 69 Bedwyr 12 April 2009 at 4:27 am

    Watch closely folks. This week Abhisit will sign his own political death warrant.

    He is about to crack down hard on the Red shirts, while the Yellows walk free and the Blues aren’t even looked at.

    An escalation is imminent. Watch the stupid prick do it to himself – again!

    Bedwyr

  70. 70 tum|bler 12 April 2009 at 7:57 am

    A state of emergency has been declared in Bangkok.

  71. 71 E. Spitzer 12 April 2009 at 8:34 am

    Red Shirts have closed down the road in front of Siam Paragon, and closed down the skywalk between Siam and Chit Lom.

    My Pics
    http://picasaweb.google.com/mysterioe/RedShirtsParagonApr122009#

  72. 72 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 8:49 am

    Bedwyr, he has already signed it – Arisman is arrested, emergency declared in many provinces, full scaled media propaganda in place (no mentioning of Blue involvement, even blaming Reds for ruined “assassination plot” of Chanchai by Thanong on Nation!) …

    Abhisit promised “drastic measures”

    right this moment on TV they’ve mentioned – “where is Anupong now, why he keeps quite”? well, I am sure he is ready, with 1bln Baht already given to military earlier by Abhisit’s government to “uphold the law”.

  73. 73 E. Spitzer 12 April 2009 at 9:20 am

    This is just insane. No idea where you want to post this.

    I’m watching Thai TV, and there is an ad for Coca-Cola’s Songkron festival….and it features lots of cute girls with big water guns, and a Coke van driving down road with people shooting water guns….a music show with a screaming DJ….and everyone is dressed in RED.

  74. 74 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 9:24 am

    Update to Bedwyr

    Fonzi (on http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com ) blogs with reference to Thanong (Nation) about tanks seen in Bkk.

    Thanong says:

    “We are about to see the Abhisit government taking harsh measures against the Red Shirt anti-government protesters”

    although Fonzi adds:

    “By the way, please don’t link to this blog until it is confirmed that tanks are actually in the street. It might not be true. Thanong is the source. Not very credible. I will be working on other confirmations.

    Reds D-station is shut down completely.
    I trust Reds were ready for it and have alternative broadcasting means to at least TRY to counter the government’s propaganda.

  75. 75 sammy 12 April 2009 at 9:43 am

    who says they were used by Abhisit? What proof? The blues in Bangkok are limo drivers from the airport. You should not say the ones in Pattaya were sent by Abhisit unless you have some proof. it could be anyone, in this country.

    What I want to know if why the police and army just stand there laughing watching the red shirt hillbillies trash the hotel lobby and try to kidnap or kill or whatever they planned to do to Abhisit. It looks as if the army and police are on Thaksin’s side missing the good old days of Thaksin corruption gravey train.

  76. 76 commons 12 April 2009 at 10:33 am

    channel news asia

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/421827/1/.html

    BANGKOK : Thai protesters seized at least one army tank deployed to enforce a state of emergency in Bangkok, a police spokesman told AFP on Sunday.

    “The protest has spread to many parts of Bangkok. Protesters have seized tanks and armoured cars,” Major General Suporn Phansua, spokesman for Bangkok Metropolitan Police, told AFP.

    He added they were still tallying up how many had been taken by protesters.

    Minutes earlier, protest leader Hweng Tojirakarn announced to supporters outside government offices that the group had taken two tanks and one armoured car in the heart of Bangkok’s shopping district. – AFP/ms

  77. 77 Bedwyr 12 April 2009 at 12:36 pm

    @Sammy:

    “What I want to know if why the police and army just stand there laughing watching the red shirt hillbillies trash the hotel lobby and try to kidnap or kill or whatever they planned to do to Abhisit. It looks as if the army and police are on Thaksin’s side missing the good old days of Thaksin corruption gravey train.”

    I posted about this already. remember what happened when Abhisit went to Pattaya earlier this week? After they beat up Abhisits car the Pattaya police chief was transferred.

    This was a really neat way to get revenge dontcha think?

    Bedwyr

  78. 78 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 1:18 pm

    @sammy

    “who says they were used by Abhisit? What proof?”

    read this :

    http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-was-this-man-doing-in-pattaya.html

    Suthep “inspecting” the area along with Newin who was giving orders to Blues – isn’t sufficient evidence?

    Suthep as you might know is right hand of Abhisit (or rather opposite?), do you think Abhisit knew nothing about Suthep’s devises ?

    footage of Newin with Suthep were shown on D-TV and later photos posted on Thai forum Pantip here:

    more photos here of Blue practically siding with army and hiding behind them:
    http://www.pantip.com/cafe/rajdumnern/topic/P7732052/P7732052.html

    one witness from Pattaya on Thaivisa forum gave more details:

    “based on what I saw, that some of the blue shirts did indeed have military within them. Before the red shirts arrived they were working hand and hand with the military and I even had one guy tell me in perfect English that he was in the Army. I also noticed several blue shirts saluting other blue shirts.”
    http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=256436&view=findpost&p=2657131

  79. 79 commons 12 April 2009 at 4:51 pm

    just for rejoicing historical moments,

    “Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra made a phone-in to the rally at the Government House at 6:30 pm, calling more people to join anti-government rallies in Bangkok.

    He said it was the “golden time” now for the protesters to rise up against the government after soldiers were deployed to Bangkok streets.

    He said it was now time for the people’s revolution and he was ready to move into Thailand to lead the people’s uprising.”

    yes, pls, let’s get him back. let’s get back to golden times.

  80. 80 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 7:47 pm

    hmmm, surely there is something stirring up.
    he won’t make such statements without having some info.

  81. 81 antipadshist 20 April 2009 at 2:59 am

    BP & FOnzi already posted videos of Newin with Blue shirts.

    no, here is another video of the same night of Newin with Suthep (Deputy PM) and army officers:


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Thailand Crisis

Coup, Economic slowdown, Terror In the South... The situation is worsening in Thailand. Bumpy road like often before.

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