State of emergency in Bangkok, riots, army mobilises and tanks are rolling

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It has begun.

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[end of live blog. time to get some sleep. bloggers based in Thailand will soon resume their work. see you later.]

6h20 AM

Witness living near Victory Monument :

I can hear the firing tear gas and people shouting from my apartment. It’s near Victory Monument and people are running on the streets. It’s 6:23 am in the morning..

6 AM

TV footage showed that several soldiers were taken to hospital and the Army spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd said about 300 protesters were involved in the clash.

According to Sansern, the red-shirts drove a seized bus to rush to the soldiers, and soldiers fired to the sky.

Medical Rescue Center chief told TV that about 20 got injured during the clash which took place in Din Daeng, north of Bangkok, between around 4 a.m to 5 a.m. local time.

The TV Thai reported somebody dead in the confrontation. (Xinhua)

It seems too early to call that a “crackdown”. Incidents occured at Ding Daeng, with a small number of Red Shirts. There are still no reports of violence in the area of the Government House for instance, where the Red Shirts still have a stage with people making speeches.

5h45 AM

The Thai army has started a crackdown on anti-government protesters and shooting was heard as they moved to secure a major junction in the capital, forcing back hundreds of protesters, a Reuters reporter said.

He said protesters threw stones and retreated to side streets. Fires blazed in the middle of Viphavadi-Rangsit, a main thoroughfare out of the city going to its north, close to Victory Monument. (Reuters)

5h30 AM

On Thai TV : Red Shirts arrested by soldiers at Ding Daeng, near Victory Monument. Tear gas and maybe live ammunitions. Video on YouTube (click here and there). Apparently there are people wounded.


At least 20 anti-government protesters and military officers are injured on Monday morning as the government has employed a force to dispearse the protest near Din Daeng Intersection in Bangkok.

Intitially, the injured people are sent to the Rama Hospital. Most are wounded by tear gas.

The force uses tear gas. They are equipped with guns but insist that they only shot into the sky to threaten the protesters and did not aim at them. […]

There is no action from the government at the main rally near the Government House. The crowd at the Din Daeng is not as big as the group’s main rally site.(Nation)

5 AM

A small bomb was thrown into the Constitutional Court early Monday morning, causing minor damage to the court building but no casualties, Thailand’s MCOT TV station reported.

The explosion occurred around 03:30 a.m. (2030 GMT Sunday) and damaged windows of the building. Two unexploded bombs were also found in the court area. Bangkok Metropolitan Police Chief Worapong Chiewpreecha rushed to the scene to inspect the loss, the MCOT said. (Xinhua)

4 AM

But by night, the military seemed to have faded into the shadows.

The soldiers were gone from Government House, where the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship has been camped out for nearly three weeks.

And the red-shirted protesters, who want Mr Abhisit to step doen and call new elections, were taking full advantage, broadening the area they control. […]

One of the few places where there was a heavy security presence was at the Chitralada Palace, the Bangkok home of King Bhumipol Adulyadej.

There hundreds of police and soldiers were stationed.

But in a sign of just how brazen the Red Shirts are becoming, at the intersection nearby, protesters blocked the street, and a speaker criticised the King’s chief advisor from the Privy Council, General Prem Tinsulanonda. (ABC News)

1 AM

Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has assured the nation that there is no disharmony within the government as well as key agencies responsible for enforcing law and order.

In a television address Sunday night, Abhisit was flanked by all key government, military and police leaders, a setting apparently intended to stamp out persistent speculation that he was losing support of top police and military officers.

“There have been a lot of rumours and I would like the Thai media to report on the truth to the Thai public,” he said. “The government still has strong unity and we are ready to deliver our promise to bring back law and order.” (Nation)

Abhisit obviously doens’t learn. He continues to live in a fantasy orwellian world, where words are used to bend the reality. “Deliver our promise to bring back law and order”… WTF does it mean ? ! The events of saturday and sunday are the reflects of what the reality is : chaos.

The same man was parading at the G20 in London, smiling with Obama and saying that “political stability has returned in Thailand“… Last week !

It’s like the Titanic… The musicians continued to play…

10h30 PM

Britons planning to travel to Bangkok should review their plans urgently, the Foreign Office said today, after the Thai Government declared a state of emergency in the capital.

Advice on the British Foreign and Commonwealth office website read: “In view of the deteriorating security situation anyone considering going to Bangkok should urgently review their plans.

“British residents in, and visitors to, Bangkok are advised to avoid any areas where demonstrations are taking place and to stay indoors as far as possible.” (Times Online)

Other countries did the same : Singapore, Taiwan, Australia, Russia, Israel.

10 PM
Reports say that -once again- security forces didn’t move when Abhisit was at the Interior Ministry, and when his car was attacked (look at the BBC’s video).

The protesters mobbed Abhisit’s car just minutes after his televised declaration. Dozens of police in riot gear stood just yards (meters) away, while a handful of security personnel tried to fend off the crowd. Nor did military police and members of the elite paramilitary Border Patrol Police nearby intervene.
Abhisit’s car made a getaway, but others were not so lucky. The crowd trapped at least two other official cars, smashing them with whatever was at hand _ flagpoles, staves, flowerpots. (PR Inside)

Once again because the same thing happened saturday in Pattaya. No excuse : the government had enough time to organize the Asean Summit, to design a proper security scheme… But the Reds went into the hotel like a hot stick into the butter.

What’s going on ? Incompetence over and over again ? Or the inability to command ? To take a decision ? Because there is some dissent ? Or on the contrary there is a will to wait… to wait… to let the chaos growing in order to use it after ?

«It is unclear whether Saturday’s security failure was due to a broken chain of command, divisions within the Thai military, or a cynical willingness to risk national humiliation in order to have a pretext to crack down hard on the red shirts,» said Michael Montesano, a visiting research fellow at Singapore’s Institute of Southeast Asian Studies.

6H30

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra made a phone-in to the rally at the Government House at 6:30 pm, calling more people to join anti-government rallies in Bangkok.

He said it was the “golden time” now for the protesters to rise up against the government after soldiers were deployed to Bangkok streets.

He said it was now time for the people’s revolution and he was ready to move into Thailand to lead the people’s uprising. (Nation)

“You don’t have to be frightened of this state of emergency. I was the one who drafted the law,” Thaksin said in one of two telephone speeches to around 15,000 red-shirted loyalists. “This is a golden minute. We will make history,” added Thaksin (Channel News Asia)

It’s really astonishing to see Thaksin pushing like this… and using those words. Why now ? Does he know something we don’t ?

By speaking like this he’s burning the last bridges… Reconciliation seems difficult after this. Or as a poker player, is he pushing his advantage too far ?

6H30 PM

Red-shirted protesters stopped surrounding the Interior Ministry and moved back to the Government House Sunday evening.

The leaders at the Government House made an announcement, calling the protesters to retreat from the Interior Ministry. (Nation)

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6 PM :
-BBC has a footage
(click here) of the riot at the Interior Ministry, and attacks of official cars (plus a very nervous bodyguard who is showing his machine gun…)

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-“We want to ask you to stop such action. “It is necessary for the government to adopt the measures allowed in the emergency decree, in order to get the nation back to peace,” Abhisit said in a televised statement, hours after his car was attacked by demonstrators at the Interior Ministry.

Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, who oversees security matters, also made a statement on television.

“Police and military officers must fully and forcefully carry out their jobs lest more damage is done. Actions must be taken promptly and order be restored as soon as possible. Your superiors and I will take responsibility for all your actions,” he said. (Reuters)

And what Abhisit is going to do ? Order the army to shoot in the streets ? Abhisit was shaking the hand of Obama at the G20 last week in London, saying that “political stability has returned in Thailand”

He’s trapped.

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5 PM :

-Red-shirted people used hundreds of motorcycles and taxis as well as personal vehicles to block the roads at the Lan Luang Intersection at 4:30 pm Sunday.

At 5:00 pm, the red-shirted protesters also blocked the entire Yommaraj Intersection. (Nation)

-“The protest has spread to many parts of Bangkok. Protesters have seized tanks and armoured cars,” said Major Gen Suporn Phansua, spokesman for Bangkok Metropolitan Police.

He added they were still tallying up how many had been taken by protesters. (The National)

-Red-shirts seize 10 buses for blocking roads around Government House (Nation)

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“It’s total chaos. It is scary and the military are doing nothing. Who can guarantee our safety?” said Martin Liu, a 36-year-old American tourist near the armored vehicles.

“We told our people to be ready and be prepared,” said Jakrapop Penkair, a key protest leader. If the military uses force, “the people will be our weapon. We are not scared. Abhisit must be ousted immediately,” he said. (AP)

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In a television address, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said the government had to declare the state of emergency to restore normalcy.

Mr. Abhisit said his deputy prime minister, Suthep Thaugsuban, will be the chief enforcer of emergency measures, and that he would have the power to order arrests, building searches, and the demolition of structures for the sake of law and order. (VOA)
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Protesters in Bangkok have fired shots into the air and chased Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva from the interior ministry, smashing paving slabs against the car they thought he was in.

An AFP reporter at the scene saw protesters give chase, then one grabbed a gun from a security guard and fired into the air.

It came minutes after Abhisit, speaking at the ministry, announced a state of emergency in and around the capital.

“I am safe, not hurt but one of my officials was detained. I want them to release him so that he can receive treatment as he is injured,” Abhisit told reporters by telephone. (AFP)

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Several police and protesters were injured during the riot when protesters tried to attack the motorcade leaving the Interior Ministry compound, on suspicion that the prime minister was inside one of the cars, PBS reported.

The station confirmed that neither Abhisit nor Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban was inside the cars, and both of them have left the Interior Ministry before the riot.

A security officer fired warning shots to the sky to warn protesters to stop hitting the cars. Soldiers have come out to rescue the official from being lynched by the protesters.

101 Responses to “State of emergency in Bangkok, riots, army mobilises and tanks are rolling”


  1. 1 hobby 12 April 2009 at 10:03 am

    Stay safe

  2. 2 thaichris 12 April 2009 at 10:12 am

    Wanted the PM to react? Here we go. And he got everything on the table. So does Thaksin. We will see an end soon, one or the other ways.

    Interessing^. The YELLOW side is sitting idle on the sideine and will watch the game. If LIGHT BLUE (Democrats) win, fine. If RED win, YELLOW will come out, fresh and if nessesary armed. And if YELLOW also loose? The money will leave Thailand and Thaksin will get an empty, burned down country.

  3. 3 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 10:26 am

    PROTESTERS SEIZE ARMY TANK

    BANGKOK – THAI protesters seized at least one army tank deployed to enforce a state of emergency in Bangkok, a police spokesman told AFP on Sunday.
    ‘The protest has spread to many parts of Bangkok. Protesters have seized tanks and armoured cars,’ Major General Suporn Phansua, spokesman for Bangkok Metropolitan Police, told AFP.

    He added they were still tallying up how many had been taken by protesters.

    Minutes earlier protest leader Hweng Tojirakarn announced to supporters outside government offices that the group had taken two tanks and one armoured car in the heart of Bangkok’s shopping district. — AFP

    http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_362721.html

  4. 4 Bedwyr 12 April 2009 at 10:38 am

    The Reds hijacked some buses and barricaded the roads with them.

    Someone has been planning this very carefully, and Abhisit has walked straight into the hanging noose.

    Didn’t I say he would commit political suicide? Yes Bedwyr, you certainly did. Didn’t I predict all of this? Yes Bedwyr, you certainly did.

    Who is a hell of a holy guru? You are most wise Bedwyr.

    Quite right, now if I can just have your credit card number?

    😀

    Bedwyr

  5. 5 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 10:40 am

    Singapore Foreign Ministry has advised Singaporeans to postpone their travel plans to Bangkok to a later date, if they do not have a pressing need to travel to Bangkok and the other areas where a state of emergency has been declared.

    Other countries will soon issue same advice to their citizens

  6. 6 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 10:45 am

    You are thinking about the Reichstag fire ? I don’t. Since day one, Abhisit reached the Peter Principle.
    Now, maybe there is a deal to hand over the situation to the army. But I don’t believe Abhisit wanted this.

    Anyway, I won’t give you my credit card number. 😉

  7. 7 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 11:07 am

    Arise Sir Bedwyr the wise

  8. 8 ATM 12 April 2009 at 11:11 am

    A deal will be made.
    The Army(yellow) will give Thaksin his money back in exchange for no shenanigans during succession.

  9. 9 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 11:16 am

    I think that Thaksin wants more than his money…. Much more….

  10. 10 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 11:22 am

    “Who will want to come to Thailand now?” said Apichart Sankary, president of the Association of Thai Travel Agents (ATTA), urging the government to end the turmoil once and for all.

    “We have nothing to lose any more, no tourists will come now anyway so we need to clear everything as soon as possible. We cannot have this situation go on and on,” he told AFP.

  11. 11 fall 12 April 2009 at 11:50 am

    Ideal for the Dem to dissolve parliament now and call for re-election. Without an amnesty deal, the RED wont be able to field their desire candidate. Best chance of the Dem coming back legitimately(best, but not guarantee).

    But if Abhisit want to use army to crack down the protest, he have to storm and capture the ring leader NOW. Or else, after Songkran, the RED will come back with vengence.

    If the situation prolong to after Songkran, the RED win either way, crack down or open revolt…

  12. 12 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 11:57 am

    Abhisit is fucked. He’s a clown. He has been humiliated. He lost the little leadership an authority he had. HE IS OVER. BURNED OUT. FINISHED.

    The nice looking puppet has lost its strings.

    He can’t launch a real crackdown, Black May 1992 style… He can’t order the army to open the shooting range. Those days are over.

    He can’t… well do nothing neither.

    So, the only solution : on the short term, resign. Then a Prime Minister “neutral” would be nominated… And that we will give time to all the factions to think about the future.

    We have to be realistic : elections are impossible now.

    Question : do we have time ? What’s going on in the royal palace ?

  13. 13 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 12:02 pm

    “I… will take all responsibility for all your actions,” he added. “These are not constitutional demonstrators. They have injured senior officials.”

    Asia Pacific News adds the following sentence to the deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban statement as reported by Reuters:
    “These are not constitutional demonstrators. They have injured senior officials.”

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/421843/1/.html

  14. 14 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 12:09 pm

    PM “neutral” ? very unlikely. army and elite already have Prawit ready, Newin apparently also supports him.

  15. 15 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 12:11 pm

    TC: Then a Prime Minister “neutral” would be nominated… And that we will give time to all the factions to think about the future.

    I don’t think there is a Thai Prime minister neutral! And nominated by whom? The people?

    Thinking about the future….there may not be time….. the future is NOW

    What a f***ing mess!

    Buddha help Thailand.

  16. 16 fall 12 April 2009 at 12:12 pm

    @ThaiCrisis

    Neutral PM, from where? It cant be from the Dem or the Brutus coalition, an outsider Privy Council PM would not be accept by anyone, anyone else would likely not possess enough influence or name to be acceptable, and Apirak is meant for the next election.

    I still say dissolve parliament and re-election is the best long-term solution for the Dem. They might loose the election, but the economy is going down the drain anyway and the shaky PPP(former) wont be able to function efficiently without enough player.

    And… ah, you might want to censor the comment before you a bit…

  17. 17 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 12:14 pm

    “Neutral”…. I mean it. With a “neutral” agenda : AKA doing nothing. Elected by the House, but pushed by the Palace.

    Like a Surayud taking downers pills. 😉

    It’s the only way to calm things.

    What else ?
    -elections : impossible now
    -Abhisit still PM : impossible
    -another PM elected by the Frankenstein Coalition : the chaos will start again
    -crack down in blood : difficult (but not impossible). Thailand’s image would be devastated.

    Tell me, what could be the other options ? At that point, I don’t think any faction can WIN. Alone. Their only hope is to gain time.

  18. 18 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 12:27 pm

    I apologize…I didn’t read the comment in its whole… too fast… and doing too many things at the same time. Yes indeed, I can’t publish it. I’ve deleted it.

  19. 19 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 12:28 pm

    I can only see that the military will take charge, and soon. They will slap down the insurrection & kill democracy for a very long time. Burma 2 is a more frightening prospect than Abhisit. Thailand’s future looks grim.

  20. 20 Bedwyr 12 April 2009 at 12:29 pm

    “Who will want to come to Thailand now?” said Apichart Sankary, president of the Association of Thai Travel Agents (ATTA), urging the government to end the turmoil once and for all.

    “We have nothing to lose any more, no tourists will come now anyway so we need to clear everything as soon as possible. We cannot have this situation go on and on,” he told AFP.

    I am afraid he is right.

    Would the last person to leave Thailand kindly turn out the light? It is all so completely fucked. It is hard to imagine the incompetence of this government, nor the determination of the Palace and the elites to protect their cookie jars.

    Just breathtaking.

    Bedwyr

  21. 21 E. Spitzer 12 April 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Why do you keep saying elections are impossible ?
    They would be messy, dangerous and dirty…but still possible.

    At least, it would provide some breathing space.

  22. 22 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 12:35 pm

    unfortunately I tend to agree with TI

  23. 23 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Elections ? Breathing space ? You’re optimistic… What would happen if ex-TRT, ex-PPP win ? Or even worse : if both camps (Thaksin group + Democrat Party group) can’t have a real majority ?

    We have reached the boiling point : the only solution is to say “time out”. And wait a little bit.

    Furthermore, what about the Constitution designed by the Junta ? It is flawed.

  24. 24 hobby 12 April 2009 at 12:50 pm

    How about government of National Unity comprised Dems & PT until political reform process finished – then it does not really matter who is interim PM

  25. 25 hobby 12 April 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Hopefully there are too many people watching for there to be a real crackdown – someone in a position of power needs to start showing some humility (I dont care which side)

  26. 26 hobby 12 April 2009 at 12:53 pm

    I’m normally a pessimist, but I can still dream

  27. 27 Prokster 12 April 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Elections will come, but not for a while. Early next year possibly. This is beyond the ballot box. The odds for all out (half) nationwide chaos and battles is now 80% IMHO.
    We can not rule out huge collateral damage. Much worse than Sujinda’s attemt.

  28. 28 George P Tuckeer 12 April 2009 at 1:24 pm

    At this point, elections under the current constitution and with so many former TRT politicians banned would not be accepted by the Reds who now seem to have the upper hand. A month ago, it may have been possible.

    Things are moving fast and solutions that may have been applicable even a few hour ago, are no longer so.

  29. 29 thaichris 12 April 2009 at 1:39 pm

    One more option – kill Mr.T. And then go for election.

    Do you remember Bennito Aquino in the Philipines. Thaksin said he is ready to fly in and lead the red. OK, come. There are some pretty good sharp shooters in Thailand.

  30. 30 InPhuket 12 April 2009 at 1:43 pm

    The government is already saving money now…. as they rid themselves of the TAT expense. No need for this useless entity anymore.

  31. 31 David Brown 12 April 2009 at 2:03 pm

    the redshirts have announced that:

    while the redshirts were at the Interior Ministry searching for Abhisit and Suthep

    2 redshirt people died, one shot by Abhisit’s security guard

    and 3 redshirts were injured, one in hospital after being run over by the car with Abhisits secretary as passenger

  32. 32 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Bangkok Metropolitan Administration officially announced that all festival activities in Bangkok area shall be halted.

    Report says, APCs that rolled out are under command of First-Army-Region Commander. (which believed he is waiting in the line to be the next Commander-in-Chief of the Army)

    Now Spreading Rumor, the first gunfire will blast around midnight.

    A near life size statue of seated King Naresuan has appeared on the rally stage.

    Some of your readers may like to follow the events in Bangkok live on stage at Government House at this link:

    http://www.newskythailand.com/

  33. 33 Ajahn Greg 12 April 2009 at 2:39 pm

    No government can allow mob rule to interfere with international gatherings, otherwise it’s anarchy. Altho’ we love to romanticize about anarchy, the real thing is as ugly as what we saw in Pattaya. What would the mob have done if they had laid hands on the PM? Abhisit has got to take off the kid gloves and show he has an iron fist as well. The reds are not “the people”, they are a mob of Toxin’s thugs. Their leaders need to go to jail over this. Inciting to riot is a crime everywhere. If the PM can’t bring himself to do it he should step down. I hate to say that because I really think he’s the best person to govern right now, but only if he finds the balls he needs for the task at hand. This is civil war, only he doesn’t seem to grasp that fully yet. The Toxin gang are looking to overthrow the crown and place Toxin on the throne, or at least make him “President for Life”. Thailand will then become another Burma with nicer beaches.

  34. 34 hobby 12 April 2009 at 3:06 pm

    David Brown: Shot whilst searching for Abhisit – not much to complain about really.

    Over here (Aus), I’ve heard of 16 yo kids getting shot when surrounded by police, so one or 2 of a lawless mob getting shot whilst trying to lynch the PM does not sound too bad really.

    I’m not taking sides – just being realistic (for once!)

  35. 35 hobby 12 April 2009 at 3:08 pm

    I think he needs (needed) to take a carrot & stick approach – unfortunately there’s been no carrot AND no stick!

  36. 36 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 3:26 pm

    @Hobby,

    I think he needs (needed) to take a carrot & stick approach – unfortunately there’s been no carrot AND no stick!

    Actually, what he tried was the dildo & bribery approach!

  37. 37 InPhuket 12 April 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Don’t blame Abhisit, as there was no ‘Mob 101’ class at his Oxford University.

  38. 38 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Not appropriate class at that time, sure, but his bosses usually know what to do… 😉

    I don’t understand the Pattaya disaster yesterday. I can’t believe it was made on purpose (the fact that security forces didn’t move)… Even totally twisted thai military couldn’t take such high risks (to wreck Thailand’s image) for the pleasure to launch a crack down on the Reds.

    So it leave us with the other theory : incompetence, or… dissent. Nobody control nothing anymore….

  39. 39 Bedwyr 12 April 2009 at 3:40 pm

    I am going to go out on a limb here and speculate – sort of do some crystal-ball gazing. Perhaps I will be wrong and have my guru status revoked 😀 . Never mind.

    What has struck me in all this is the planning. It is not random or ad-hoc and there seems to be an underlying strategy. There are some brains behind the Reds. And I don’t think they or Thaksin are likely to have ignored the probability that a state of emergency and possibly martial law will be imposed. I don’t think they will have ignored the army either. Anupong has a lot of enemies. many of whom will have been biding their time.

    Based on history, past and recent, I think the police are not going to crush the Reds and I suspect the army may simply refuse to do so – not at the top level but at the foot soldier level (perhaps commanded by middle-ranking officers). It occurs to me that they may well reuse to fire on their own people, come the moment – after all, most of the foot soldiers come from poor families as well.

    If that happens there will be the revolution that Thaksin has been advocating. Anupong and lots of others will be arrested. He cannot win now, whatever he does he is in shit street.

    In short, I think there may be a coup if the bloodshed increases, but it won’t be the coup that the elites want.

    Probably wrong but I doubt Thaksin would have come this far and be saying the things he is saying while ignoring the army. I think he knows something we don’t.

    2 things which seem likely to me. The frst will probably happen quickly, the second may await a nasty turn of events:

    1. The taxis are likely to mobilise again – the last one was probably a trial run to assess the response.

    2. I wonder if Prem may suddenly remember an important overseas engagement if things turn really nasty.

    Just blowing smoke… I don’t think this is over yet, not by a very long way. The imminent crack-down is likely to harden the Red resolve and will probably backfire badly on Abhisit.

    If any of this happens, Newin is history, I expect the contract has already been awarded.

    Bedwyr

  40. 40 hobby 12 April 2009 at 3:45 pm

    I still put it down to indecisiveness due to guilty conscience
    (same as Samak & Somchai with PAD)

  41. 41 hobby 12 April 2009 at 3:48 pm

    I know its a big call assuming they have a concscience – I just hope Thaksin has one if Bedwyr’s call is correct.
    (he hasn’t shown any sign of one to date)

  42. 42 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Well…. Samak and Somchai had the rational to do so : they wanted to avoid a military coup ! They were walking on a very thin line… They knew that any violence would turn against them. The army and the “invisible hands” were waiting…

    But here, now ? After the PAD experience ? Don’t tell me Abhisit biggest concern is to avoid a coup…

  43. 43 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 3:53 pm

    TC: Exert from an account from a well known BBC writer on the Pattaya disaster:

    Sympathy for the UDD within the ranks of the police, a force with strong ties to Mr Thaksin, who is a former police colonel, is common knowledge.

    In any case the police were badly demoralised last year after trying – and failing – to contain the protests by the rival, yellow-shirted protesters from the anti-Thaksin PAD.

    But what explains the inaction of the military, a force thought to be staunchly loyal to this government?

    Lack of experience in crowd control, perhaps. And there is a deep reluctance to risk bloodshed in civil disputes, ingrained in soldiers after their disastrous armed suppression of pro-democracy demonstrators back in 1992, that badly tarnished the military’s reputation with the public.

    But the red-shirts claim it is more than that.

    “If you take off the uniforms of these people, what you find are the children of poor families,” Jakrapob Penkair. “So they are ideologically aligned with what the red-shirts are demanding.”

    ‘Grass-roots people’

    The UDD has been very successful in instilling in its mainly poor and lower-middle class followers a sense that they are fighting not just for the rehabilitation of the exiled Mr Thaksin, but for social justice.

    They use the language of class warfare, referring to themselves as “grass-roots people”, fighting against a royalist elite that hogs the spoils of Thailand’s development.

  44. 44 hobby 12 April 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Like most thai’s, his biggest concern was to avoid loss of face.

    I think Abhisits position was even more precarious than Samak & Somchai – they only really had to worry about the yellows and a military coup, which was vry unlikely after just comiong out of one.

    Abhisit has had the following worries: Newin, Suthep, Prem, Thaksin, Yellows, Reds, lack of electoral legitimacy as a backup, and on top of that the GFC.

    I just hope the reds aim much higher than a return to 2005/06, because that would still be a dead end, unless by some miracle Thaksin has rehabilitated.

    It’s very late here, so I’m off to bed – I don’t expect a crackdown, but it would not surprise me to see Thaksin turn up in the country by the time I wake up – alive, to start with anyway 🙂

  45. 45 Thai Insanity 12 April 2009 at 4:27 pm

    RE: 10:40 a.m. post:
    Singapore Foreign Ministry has advised Singaporeans to postpone their travel plans to Bangkok to a later date, if they do not have a pressing need to travel to Bangkok and the other areas where a state of emergency has been declared.

    Other countries will soon issue same advice to their citizens

    UPDATE
    Known Countries warned off BKK travel:
    Singapore, Russia, UK, Malaysia, Canada, Korea, Taiwan, Australia.

    Next the airlines will stop flying.

  46. 46 MR ? 12 April 2009 at 5:01 pm

    TC:
    What news from the palace?

    THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!

    Are they all watching Thai soap opera?

  47. 47 George P Tuckeer 12 April 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Perhaps the generals are loath to test the loyalty of their troops hence the reluctance to order the use of force against the Reds?

    If they give the order and a good number of the troops refuse to comply, the entire power structure will be exposed as naked. Maybe they aren’t ready to put that to the test?

  48. 48 Thai 12 April 2009 at 6:23 pm

    It takes people to make a country. If most Thai people still worship a wrong group, this will keep happening years to come. I hope that whoever wins, Thais won’t worship them. Thais should know that every Thai drives the country, not a group of people. Therefore, do their best for the country and stop closing their eyes and their minds supporting a wrong group ever again.

  49. 49 Thai Shame 12 April 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Abhisit suffers minor arm injury

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30100359/Abhisit-suffers-minor-arm-injury

    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva suffered a minor army injury when a protester threw something at him while he was leaving the Interior Ministry.

    A source said the prime minister went to a hospital for treatment and Deputy Interior Minister Thaworn Senneam was closely watching over Abhisit.

    LIKE HIM OR DISLIKE HIM THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE – SHAME

  50. 50 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 6:29 pm

    What is wrong ? What is right ?

    If you’re able to answer this question tonight, then you’re lucky…

    You have to understand that both group are right… to themselves. This is why it’s more than a fight between Somchai A who would like to take the job of Somchai B (like it was before).

    What you are living is a political struggle, with a powerful underline (a social rift) with 2 totally opposite views of the world.

    You can’t solve this kind of situation with “right” and “wrong”.

  51. 51 Thai Shame 12 April 2009 at 7:04 pm

    TC Re: 1 AM Update

    The next 24 hours should be decisive. Mr Abhisit has more or less staked his authority as prime minister on clearing the protesters from Bangkok. The UDD appears to see this as a final showdown with a government it still argues has no legitimacy.

    But it is quite possible there will be no decisive moment. Maybe the army will stick to its habitual inaction, the prime minister will keep a grip on his job, and Thailand will keep stumbling on, as it has through the past three, strange, chaotic years.

    BBC, J.Head
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7996077.stm

  52. 52 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 7:44 pm

    there are some videos on youtube of one of guards, although dressed in plaincloth, at Interior firing some machine gun, looked like Uzi. then he very quickly hid it under his jacket when army guards approached. reporter caught the moment though, however this footage wasn’t broadcasted on TV news, or perhaps was cut off. folks commenting that it is that moment when 2 Reds were shot dead.

    in other video tank rammed taxi and before that rolled over bike placed in front of it. commenters say that possibly at least 1 person died.

  53. 53 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 8:02 pm

    You can clearly see the scene with the bodyguard and the small machine gun on the BBC’s footage (at 37 seconds) plus sounds of gun shots.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7995713.stm

    And the smashing of Abhisit’s car.

  54. 54 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 8:11 pm

    well, here is a good link I found in comments on NM :

    http://www.justin.tv/nationsiam

    it is a LIVE broadcast from the main stage.

    this very moment Jatuporn is speaking, he said to audience that that guy who shot Uzi killed 2 people indeed.

    another thing is – he anounced that apparently army are preparing their crackdown to start at 4am and he said “I came on stage to wake you up and tell you to get ready”.

    it is 3.11am now here in the City of Angels. 🙂

  55. 55 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 8:31 pm

    WOW! I didn’t expect this from PAD, but at least for once I agree with them, at least regarding MORON Suthep:

    PAD demands PM sack deputy PM, defence minister
    http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=9469

    BANGKOK, April 12 (TNA) — The People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) on Sunday issued a statement demanding that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva to dismiss Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, Defence Minister Gen. Prawit Wongsuwan, and Thailand’s army, navy and police chiefs immediately after they failed to contain the red-shirted anti-government protesters on Saturday, which led to cancellation of the ASEAN summit with its dialogue partners.

    The PAD statement said the government was totally defeated as it could not protect the country’s interests, and that the Thai people, therefore, must depend on themselves.

    The PAD statement said that Mr. Suthep who oversees national security has a close relation with convicted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra had failed to implement security measures and the prime minister should display courage and leadership by changing the deputy prime minister, defence minister, chiefs of the army, navy and police immediately.

    Retired Maj-Gen. Chamlong Srimuang, one of the core PAD leaders told the Sunday press conference that if the government could not help the country, the PAD would “come out”, but at present the Abhisit government must implement the law to deal with the unrest.

    Another PAD leader. Sondhi Limthongkul said that Mr. Abhisit must perform his duty more seriously, but if he fails, the PAD will come out to display its public referendum and power.

    However, the PAD membership will not come out on the street and become targets themselves by clashing with the “Red Shirt’ protesters, Mr. Sondhi said, which is wanted by Army chief Gen. Anupong Paochinda so that it is necessary to suppress both sides, which would eventually lead to a military coup. (TNA)

    Political News : Last Update : 18:40:27 12 April 2009 (GMT+7:00)

    COOL! Now Sondhi & Chamlong apperently call for sacking even Anupong as well ? hmmmm …. this is an interesting developement !

    so, now PAD are anti-coup ?

    their arrogance though is intact : “PAD will come out to display its public referendum and power”

    interesting part also about Suthep having close relations with Thaksin – hahahahaha ! is that true, or Sondhi Lim smoked some hard crack lately ? 😀

  56. 56 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 9:39 pm

    at the moment Jatuporn on LIVE broadcast from the main stage from GH saying that he got informed (he was talking on phone) that army has just cleared a barricade at Ding Daeng intersection and it is a matter of minutes before they’ll get to the main Reds camp GH. he gives instructions what to do: “stay in the same place, do nothing, if they wanna shoot or kick you – let them do…”

    also was mentioned that tear gas was fired. another guy briefly came to stage to tell that M16 were fired by army at Reds too. Jatuporn says again to the crowd “get ready to die …”

    they are singing son all together, osort of patriotic style. “don’t worry to loose your lives as a sacrifice for future generations … ”

    well, I don’t know whether it is gonna happen or not. but apparently they all are ready for army actual crackdown.

  57. 57 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 9:58 pm

    seems like (Jatuporned interrupted Veera on stage to give Update) at Ding Daeng Reds has managed to regroup and push back army, despite tear gas. so, I guess the barricades probably would be re-made and the army attempt to disperse the main crowd at GH postponed.

  58. 58 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 10:06 pm

    We should remain cautious… I remember the crazy talks, during the night, on the PAD’s stage, inside Government House… Rumors, counter rumors…

  59. 59 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 10:26 pm

    I turned on TV – apparently to my surprise TTV (Nation group) has shown a fresh footage of army arresting some beaten up Red-shirts. in fact quite many. I think this is what Jatuporn was mentioning.

    TV report says “Sod” (fresh / Live)

    some corpses are been loaded on trucks.

    Jatuporn requested 1000 people to go to 6 places around the city (or 1000 to each place?)

    army is armed with M16. one taxi driver drove his car at firing soldiers, his car shown ridden with bullets, my wife says he is dead…. blood seen.

    so, TC these are NOT rumors – I am watching RIGHT NOW on at least 1 TV channels a Live footages (dark on the street as outside my window)

    at least 1 channel shows it. I checked few other Channels – Ch 7. showed it too.

  60. 60 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Jatuporn talking on the stage that “army started killing people”, requests those who knows Engl. to spread this info to the rest of the world “situation is very bad now”.

    on that site http://www.justin.tv/nationsiam there is also Chat which is naturally mostly in Thai language.
    I think Reds need someone with Laptop computer to be logged in there and type in English WHAT’S going on !

    now Thai PBS channel shows better quality footage – clearly army firing tear gas, and live ammunitions. blood seen too.

    well, I have to give at least SOME credit to Thai media I guess.

  61. 61 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 10:36 pm

    army are VERY quickly taking corpses by trucks outside of Bkk. perhaps they are in haste to clear the sites while it is still dark till dawn.

  62. 62 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 10:42 pm

    someone has already uploaded on youtube:

  63. 63 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Yes. Got it. Sounds like machine gun.

  64. 64 DavidB 12 April 2009 at 10:58 pm

    I also saw on TPBS some army guys on stretchers so it’s not all one sided.

  65. 65 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 11:06 pm

    at Ding Daend died at least 4 this morning.
    army first shot tear gas and then while smoke was still covering the site – thye shot live ammunitions. then in hurry taken out the corpses.

    now international news report gun fire too :

    BBC

    Thai troops crack down on protest
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7996241.stm

    “Shots have been heard in the Thai capital, Bangkok, where soldiers have moved to disperse anti-government protesters at a major junction.

    A Reuters reporter on the Viphavadi-Rangsit thoroughfare saw protesters hurling stones and retreating into side streets as troops advanced.

    Fires could be seen in the middle of the road, which is close to the landmark Victory Monument.

    The army confirmed it was acting to disperse the protest.

    “The soldiers have begun the operation to disperse the protesters at Din Daeng intersection,” spokesman Col Sunsern Kaewkumnerd told the AFP news agency… ”

    Reuters reports same :

    http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSSP44124020090412

  66. 66 DavidB 12 April 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Antipadshist, your reproting of events is useful, but pleasae try and be a little less biased than your name implplies.
    The Redsare not the only side being hit. I definatly saw soliders being cartered off too, but you say nothing about that.
    Don’t try and drum up sympathy at this time – that can be done later

  67. 67 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Xinhua

    Gunshots heard in Bangkok, soldiers, protesters clash
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/13/content_11174937.htm

    “The TV Thai reported somebody dead in the confrontation”

    now it looks like Nation has waken up too :

    Tear gas fired at protesters
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30100387/Tear-gas-fired-at-protesters

    on the main stage one woman crying telling the details of the clash at Din Daeng – she was present there. she confirms that army taking away corpses ASAP.

  68. 68 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 11:21 pm

    @ DavidB

    what biased ?

    I am merely relating what I hear from LIVE radio station (D-station).

    talking about BIAS – perhaps it is you who should grow up and take with a HUGE grain of salt what you watch on CONTROLLED by government / army practically ALL Thai media, TV stations not excluded !

    come on ! you accuse me of “bias” ? it is not me who gives these FACTS – you can watch / listen all this yourself on-line !

    simply unbelivable ! people believe any BS government sells – very one-sided version of events andVERY censored – and yet they accuse some one else of “BIAS”

    hahahahaha

  69. 69 ThaiCrisis 12 April 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Let stay cool. We watch, listen, read from different sources. So reports can be of course different and sketchy.

  70. 70 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 11:31 pm

    “The Redsare not the only side being hit.”

    sure ! Reds throw stones at soldiers – while soldiers fire machine guns at them. it is definetely “two-sided”, sort of mutual, huh ?

    well, there it is, as you request – I am being less “biased”

    BTW your reference to my nickname here – it looks like you rather making a personal attack, aren’t you? which is a dirty “under-waist punch” trick of discrediting those you don’t like or who says something you don’t like. 😉

  71. 71 DavidB 12 April 2009 at 11:31 pm

    THanks TC for moderating.
    Your name Antipadhist obviously puts you in a particular camp.
    Like me you are following this on the same media.
    I know what I saw and I saw injured soldiers.
    Yes, I also saw injured reds – both are tragic.
    Do you really think at a time like this that the”conspiratorial” forces behind this could possibly control the media ?
    This is not 1992. This is 2009 with a million different ways to get news – some biased; some not.

  72. 72 antipadshist 12 April 2009 at 11:36 pm

    TC

    I am cool. I didn’t make personal attacks at him, merely relayed what was going on – BEFORE the first scetchy MSM reports appeared.

    he though did personally attack me.

    MSM (main stream media) in general are NOT very well trusted in the West. that is why the Blogs appeared. and later – on-line TV stations and Radio.

    so, here I was trying to provide Updates from LIVE and DIRECT source of events, and particularly – NON-alligned with MSM – and I got slanted for being “biased” for that.

    how is it ?

    wasn’t I cool till he made this personal attack ?

  73. 73 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 12:18 am

    this is strange – ALL TV channels now stop showing their programs and display some green color anouncements – sort of some new emergency Decree # 98/2552 .

    reminds me rather similar stuff during last coupd back in Sep 2006.

    this green screen is alreay several minutes (more than 10 I think) – no ANY news. this is wierd.

  74. 74 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 12:23 am

    well, now they finally show something – but is is not Abhisit, some guy I don’t know with some military chap.

    looks pretty much as new coup !

  75. 75 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 12:47 am

    Gun-fire breaks out in Bangkok
    http://www.pakistannews.net/story/488925

    “Soldiers in the Thai capital, Bangkok, have fired rifle shots to disperse anti-government protestors.

    The protesters were camped at a major junction in the city, but retreated into side streets as the soldiers advanced.

    Some protesters have hurled stones at the soldiers who have also retaliated with tear gas.”

    as I said: Reds thrown stones, soldiers fired real bullets (not even rubber bullets).

    so, yes, Reds are not the only side been hit ! 🙂
    however there is a HUGE difference: with WHAT !

    VOA
    http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-13-voa2.cfm
    “Soldiers in full combat gear began moving in before dawn Monday. Television news reports showed video of soldiers firing shots into the air. Witnesses say demonstrators hurled objects at the soldiers. ”

    although according to survivors, only first rounds were fired “to the sky”, next rounds were fired at protesters.

  76. 76 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 1:00 am

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,24897,25326593-601,00.html

    “Emergency services said at least 68 people were injured, two of them critically, during the crackdown. Two people suffered gunshot wounds but neither of them was in danger, a doctor said.

    Medical officials denied reports on the protesters’ private radio station that five or six demonstrators had been killed, but the announcement appeared to be fuelling the Red Shirts’ anger.”

    note the word “officials”. so, it is an official version.

    well, talking about BIAS – this is the 1st MSM source which at least botheres to mention the facts provided by UDD at all – about at least few being killed. although even this article apparently too cuatious to stick to the official version as credible.

    also, according to UDD witnesses – army were very quickly taking out corpses, loading them on trucks and carrying them away. so, no wonder that “no anyone killed” is being reported !

    also was mentioned that – WHY it all was down while still dark, a perfect setting to hide from the very few cameras what was actually going on ?

  77. 77 thaichris 13 April 2009 at 1:22 am

    @antipadshist

    I think you are in line with the PAD in many points. The PAD also says that the Thai media can not be trusted, that they only show one side of the story. The difference between you and YELLOW is that they say that the media only talks about RED and is pro-Thaksin.

    I think there are no more only two sides but now at least four blocks:

    – The RED which are lead by Thaksin via daily phone-in’s and currently rioting Bangkok
    – The YELLOW sitting on the side line watching the game
    – The BLUE (Democrat Party – light blue; Bua Jai Thai (Newin) – dark blue) who are the current government
    – The people of Thailand sidelined on the other side of the field watching with anger how here holiday sason is destroyed

  78. 78 thaichris 13 April 2009 at 1:59 am

    They are going after there own people. Inhabitants of Din Daeng flats are mostly from the north-east:

    Protesters drive truck with gas cylinders into compound of Din Daeng flats

    Residents of Din Daeng flats were terrified when protesters drove a truck fuelled by NGV gas into the compound.

    The truck uses several NGV cylinders and the protesters shouted that the flat residents should leave immediately, prompting speculation that the protesters would explode the gas tanks.

    The Nation

  79. 79 fall 13 April 2009 at 2:21 am

    When bullets start flying and people start dying.
    There is no side, there is no camp…

  80. 80 TLoh 13 April 2009 at 3:14 am

    Hmm. wonder how will this pann out now that the army has started fighting in Bangkok! Understand from Singapore news and some indirect contacts in Changmai that the countryside in inflamed and “everyone” is wearing red and emotionally protesting. Will the army now split up into different open fractions and oppose each other?

    Hope that a major standoff will happen before more bloodshed so that negotiations can begin!

  81. 81 Bedwyr 13 April 2009 at 4:41 am

    “MR ? 12 April 2009 at 5:01 pm

    TC:
    What news from the palace?

    THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!

    Are they all watching Thai soap opera?”

    There have been reports for a year or more that HMK is unable to take decisions, indeed, may no longer be fully compos mentis. This rumour goes back to the Somchai days.

    Ask yourself this question: ‘If the King were already to have died, would the Palace announce it?”

    It is clear now that the government is finished, long before I thought it would be and I didn’t think it was going to be long-lived.

    Make no mistake, right now the PAD is planning and deploying, probably under the management of people close to the Palace. If this happens then my prediction last year of a civil war this year will come to pass. There may be an initial period of the Yellows and the Blues collaborating but that will not last long.

    If I were in Thailand now I would be making very sure I have petrol in the car, a flight ticket in my pocket and a bag of food. This may become interesting. It will not be the same as 1992.

    I believe the army will refuse to quell the rebellion.

    Bedwyr

  82. 82 Tarrin 13 April 2009 at 5:16 am

    Be cool Antipadshist, I know the frustration you are having right now.

    Well you see, people tend you see want they want to see and disregard what they dont want to see. The mass media here is really bias if anyone doesnt notice, did anyone ever noticing this?
    Bangkokbiz came out and say that they make the whole suvarnabhumi
    corrupting charge up, the same corruption report that they get an award, that same report is a LIE. Did anyone here notice about the apology? nope because they are in the very last page of bangkokbiz and was in a very small section for a day. So go figure.
    http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/2008/09/22/news_27278542.php?news_id=27278542

    Anyway,
    I’ve heard this last night from a friend of my who is a relative of a vice commander of RTA 1st Army (the one that station in Bangkok and surrounding area composed about 10 divisions or around 250,000 men strong)
    He said that there will be a crack down tonight

  83. 83 Tarrin 13 April 2009 at 5:43 am

    Ops click submit by mistake,

    Anyway he said that the military is waiting until government is shedding more blood and they will step in, as a mediator, not a coup by the way, but they will demand abhisit to step down, and the boy will act like a gentleman and do so. I’d like to call this a soft – coup, anyway they will make a hero who can do no wrong like prem and them named him/her hero of the nation so on, and the red will support the dictatorship without knowing….

  84. 84 davefairtex 13 April 2009 at 7:08 am

    From my standpoint, it is easy to see that these are not non-violent protesters. Look at the car, at Abhisit’s bodyguard. Non-violent protesters do NOT smash cars, and they do NOT beat people up.

    It seems to me the guy phoning it in from outside the country is using the red shirted people as sacrificial pawns, probably hoping for the soldiers to overreact, possibly even planting people in the crowd to shoot at the troops, hoping they will fire back. He and his lieutenants do not appear to be patient enough for non-violence. Perhaps this is because his support is not as deep or enthusiastic enough for nonviolent methods to work.

    Perhaps this is because rather than this being a true popular “pro democracy” movement, this is simply a grab for personal power. He’s probably after his frozen 100 billion as well. So since he doesn’t really have the base of support for a mass movement, he is trying for a short-cut, to provoke a reaction using his mob.

    Mr Phone-It-In appears unwilling to take personal risk, is cynically using his supporters as his sacrificial pawns, and is pushing a violent mob into confrontations with armed soldiers.

    Real civil wars suck big time. And it looks like things are moving step by step in that direction. Division of the people into shirt color is the first step. Fighting between the two colors is next. But as always, it is the people who suffer for their leaders dreams of power.

  85. 86 ThaiCrisis 13 April 2009 at 8:14 am

    “casting a dire pall on any prospect of orderly governance in the future.”

    Perfect indeed. I share 100 % of those views.

    Thailand is broken. Literally. Whatever the outcome of the current crisis, the only certainty is : “no orderly governance”.

  86. 87 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 9:55 am

    well, I woke up just now after a brief nap (can’t stay asleep for too long I guess while this sh1t going on all around) and turned on TV. TTV (one of Nation’s channels) shows repeatedly a footage of soldiers with rifles.

    and I see what I see:

    THEY ARE AIMING – not “shooting to the sky”, as army spokesman Sansern in the morning has insisted !

    it is all over the international news too – soldiers with M16 rifles, aiming NOT to the sky.

  87. 88 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 9:55 am

    @ThaiChris

    yes, I admit – at least in this I agree with Yellows.
    (actually also with their demand to sack Suthepd and all bunch of generals & Defence minister )
    after all they seems not THAT stupid in not trusting the MSM.
    well, Chamlong after all has had special training abroad in couter-insurgency, he must know the importance of communications. no less Sondhi L – media mogul.
    so, it is not surprising that they have established their own network !

  88. 89 ThaiCrisis 13 April 2009 at 10:07 am

    They do… both. We have pictures, videos… that show both. Soldiers are firing up, other fire straight.

    Now the question is : blank bullets or not ? The army says blank… 😉

  89. 90 commons 13 April 2009 at 11:11 am

    i’ll share 2 posts from malay blogs:

    APRIL 13 – Media coverage of last Saturday’s disruption of the Asean summit in Pattaya focused on two dimensions of the shocking event.
    […]
    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/opinion/breaking-views/23120-thais-on-the-brink-again–michael-j-montesano

  90. 91 fall 13 April 2009 at 11:25 am

    The army say those that fire to the sky were real and those that fire to the crowd were blank.

    Remember a time when ONE policeman aiming a pistol at a truck, which ran over other policeman, got a media coverage equivalent of Christ reborn and label government a tyrant…

    Now, M16… Bah! Those disgusting peasants, let them eat cake and lead!

  91. 92 commons 13 April 2009 at 11:30 am

    & here’s 2nd

    APRIL 13 – When I arrived in Bangkok in July of 2001, it was the brightest star in Southeast Asia. Moving to Bangkok from my previous posting in Hanoi lifted my spirits and my family’s too. It was a modern bustling metropolis, with comfortable housing and the convenience of shopping and restaurants close to where I live.
    […]
    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/opinion/breaking-views/23189-yellow-shirts-red-shirts-everyone-loses–jeffrey-chang

  92. 93 commons 13 April 2009 at 1:57 pm

    “About 500 local residents near the Yommaraj Intersection gathered to confront the red-shirted protesters after they set fires on roads.

    They clashed with the protesters after they protesters refused to put out the blazes they set to things used as barricades.

    Meanwhile, vendors and local residents near the Nang Lerng Market gathered to form line to guard their properties and shouted at the red-shirted protesters.

    They shooed away the protesters who threatened to slam their motorcycles at the local residents.”

    it’s nation. pls spare me usual blog antipathy ag “established media”. i assure u, at least my friends in bkk, they’re _not_ afraid of military but of red mob. wouldn’t u?

  93. 94 commons 13 April 2009 at 4:30 pm


    Red-shirted protesters entered Nang Lerng Market Monday evening and pushed the vendors outside.

    The protesters also clashed with the vendors and it had speculation that the protesters would burn set fire to the market.”

    i guess it’s for democracy

  94. 95 commons 13 April 2009 at 4:58 pm

    “11.30 pm: Calls are being made for the government to do its utmost to prevent or contain civil confrontation, following incidents at the Nang Lerng Market where two men have been killed in a clash between residents and red-shirted protesters.

    TV commentators said the government must make it a priority to pre-empt confrontation, because, unlike well-trained security forces who have greater immunity against provocation, ordinary citizens who are afraid, paranoid or angry can resort to dangerous measures that can send things spiralling out of control.”

    u want more?

  95. 96 ThaiCrisis 13 April 2009 at 4:58 pm

    I’m on it Commons. Thanks. 😉

  96. 97 commons 13 April 2009 at 5:18 pm

    i’m sorry, i don’t wanna hijack an excellent blog.

    maybe there are ppl who’re “not on it”. who r glad ur blog exists.

    for that:

    Dozens of people living near the Soamanus Temple armed themselves with guns and other weapons came out to battle the red-shirted protesters.

    The people became angry after the protesters threw fire bombs and set fire to air-conditioned buses.

    They shouted at the protesters to leave and some of the residents fired into the air.

    Officials inside the Army head office announced through loudspeakers, urging the people to go back home and leave the authorities to handle the situation.

    After the protesters and local residents exchanged fire, troops had to fire into the air to warn both sides to stop.

  97. 98 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 5:55 pm

    @commons

    these facts only reflect the REALITY of deep division within Thai society. Urban Bangkokians mostly despise and look down on “ban-nork” peasants which Reds mostly are.

    in turn, Reds, or rurals, are fed up with the state of affairs where well-to-do and rich Bangkokians continue holding them in serfdome.

    so, the reaction by SOME of “locals” is not surprising at all ! I am sure most of those were gleefully happy with Yellows.

    also, as someone has pointed out elsewhere (I think at Thaivisa Forum – when commenting about last Wed some pedestrians chasing away Reds at Sathor) – that predominantly these Bangkokians are cowards: if it were some ARMED TO TEETH PAD / Yellow “guards” (thugs) – surely these “local” people oh so brave to confront them as some DESPISED ban-nork people armed with sticks.

    oh, wait – didn’t you mention it yourself:
    “armed themselves with guns and other weapons

    huh! must be some “local” residence then ! 🙂
    coz I am not sure – do ALL “local” residence in Bkk happend to have guns and other weapons handy at any time ? 😉

    rather looks to me as these were not so much “local” people. or not all of them. or perhaps with guns and other weapons were provided to them by some other “third party”, as if often happens nowadays in Thailand ? 😀

    when ARMED PADshists freely roamed streets the streets of their neighbourhoods, these “local” residence didn’t have balls to confront them. or perhaps they actually supported them?

  98. 99 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 6:00 pm

    another fallacy, usually known as “selective evidence”:

    “Dozens of people”

    hmm, dozens out of … min 10mln Bkk populations?

    does that properly reflect the opinion of ALL the people in Bkk ?

    think about it, Commons! 😉

    perhaps you should try to talk to few other dozens of ppl ? and NOT in those areas which are Yellow supporters.

  99. 100 commons 14 April 2009 at 8:57 am

    @antipadshist 😉

    ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?

    here’s some virtual water for happy new year na khrap 🙂

  100. 101 antipadshist 14 April 2009 at 10:03 am

    @commons

    yes, exactly ! (here ignorance is rather – trying to prove something by isolated SELECTED so called “evidence” )


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Thailand Crisis

Coup, Economic slowdown, Terror In the South... The situation is worsening in Thailand. Bumpy road like often before.

But this time, it's different.

The key to understand the present turmoil is the inevitable... succession of King Bhumibol.


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