Despite emergency decree, chaos reigns, Abhisit in disarray… but army opens fire

-the incidents this morning made officially 77 wounded. The Reds claim that several people were killed.
It was not a crackdown. It was a local operation (Ding Daeng).

-Abhisit went live on TV at 11h45…

“urging protesters to go home so that the political situation could improve. He said the government would rush to ease the tensions. He said only peaceful rallies would be allowed.” (Nation)

Abhisit is over, because every hour with chaos shows that he’s weak.

What is his weapon ? To tell the protesters to… “go home ” ! Sure, they are going to be impressed and sure they will feel the Prime Minister’s resolve… Abhisit is an embarassement for the country. Eventhough the Reds might be crushed by the army soon, Abhisit is burned out.

In any case, he couldn’t lead the repression (if any). Casting error !

The man educated at Oxford, the “democracy lover”, the sweet talker, the buddy of Obama, the perfect son in law… wouldn’t order to shoot at the people ?

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army

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(are they shooting with “blanks bullets” ?)

(you’ll find on Getty Images many striking pictures taken during the last 24 hours, by press agencies. Click here)

(And a must see video footage from the BBC : monday afternoon, the soldiers charge toward the people, and open fire, click here)


Supreme Commander Gen Songkitti Chakkrabat addresss on a TV live at 3.15pm Monday that the urgent meeting of the emergency-tackling command wanted the public to realise that all citizens have equal rights including the rights to protest in peaceful means and all were under the laws.

The security force would not use violence and weapon against people if not necessary. They however would reserve the rights to protect themselves, to bring peace and order and to protect others’ rights, he said. (Nation)

And the version from Bangkok Post :

“We will not use arms to injure anyone,” Gen Songkitti said in a national address.

“We are all aware that we will not use weapons to injure the people because all are Thais. But we will have to use weapons to protect ourselves,” he said.

Gen Songkitti is the head of a committee overseeing the situation under state of emergency. The committee comprises of chiefs of the army, navy and air force.

“We will do all we can do bring the situation back to normal,” he said. “We will not use weapons unless necessary.”

Another perfectly nonsensical statement from the Supreme Clown in Uniform. It means nothing and everything, at the same time. It’s like the Magic Box : you decide what you want to put inside. It’s a cheap and vulgar rethoric trick from someone who clearly is afraid of his own shadow… and probably afraid for his job, his position, his status.

If he’s afraid to be labelled as as “murderer” in History books later… or if he is afraid to lose everything in case of a change of regime, well… he should put his words in line with his acts, and stop this bullshit.

3 pm: Army spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd says that despite sporadic incidents. the operation to retake control of the Victory Monument and nearby areas has been “satisfactory”. He denies claims that some protesters had been killed. There had been no death, he insisted. (Nation)

Almost 12 hours of operation… to only retake control of a small area ?

He also says footage of soldiers aiming and firing at protesters could have misled the public, because the soldiers were only firing blank bullets.

You see this is why I hate military : they are just a bunch of clowns, and even worse, a bunch of simple minds. Dumbs. With liquid shit in their brain. It’s really unbearable.

You can see by yourself (YouTube video). We all believe indeed that soldiers were sent, to enforce the emergency decree, with blank bullets. And the taxi was also riddled by blank bullets. 😉

35 Responses to “Despite emergency decree, chaos reigns, Abhisit in disarray… but army opens fire”


  1. 1 thaichris 13 April 2009 at 5:55 am

    Have a look at you TV screen. The army is currently pushing back the RED towards the governement house. They are comming from Din Daeng intersection and reached Victory Monument.

    Did you hear about the two gas trucks, one placed in front of Din Daeng flats, one at Si Ayutthaya road. The two trucks belong to SIAMGAS. Gues who is the chairman? Have a look at the companies WEB page:

    http://www.siamgas.com/Executive.php

    It is Gen. Chaisit Shinawatra. The Shinawatra familiy declared war against Thailand. At any price.

  2. 2 fall 13 April 2009 at 6:25 am

    Thai media had been effectly gagged. The situation is spiraling out out of control. Round one, stalemate.
    To night round two, with the RED not playing the full deck, I predict a shoot out with army win.
    As for tomorrow night, let’s just say desperate people do desperate things…

  3. 3 Gloomy Observer 13 April 2009 at 6:29 am

    As in any war, there is a flood of information, much of which will no doubt be shown to be false after the dust has settled. However, we can clearly state that things are not normal! i wonder what the real situation upcountry is?

  4. 4 ThaiCrisis 13 April 2009 at 6:35 am

    Maybe (for once) I’m an optimistic… but I don’t believe in the “shooting range” solution. Maybe I take my desires for reality, but I think :
    -1 Abhisit is not made for the job (machine gunner)

    -2 despite the gvt propaganda, there could be dissent within the army. Sure they could always find a bunch of fanatic soldiers who would be HAPPY to shoot people in the streets like rats… but then what about the reaction of other parts of the army ?

    -3 Thailand CAN’T AFFORD another Black May (1993). It’s impossible. It’s like a century ago. We are in 2009. The effect would be devastating. They want to keep the Potemkin Village.

  5. 5 MrNice 13 April 2009 at 6:45 am

    Been looking for an alternative view point aside from the elite-controlled Bangkokpost and Nation … found it!

    Abhisit is a joke. I am not Thai but I have many Thai friends, travelled across this great country, and I think it’s a shame to see the people split by greed of the elites.

    How much more do they want to milk from the masses? Their wealth is enough to last like maybe 10 generations, with modest spending. People in the countryside make do with 50 baht a day, maybe even less. But of course, nothing is ever enough for elites. It’s the same all over the world. Greed will destroy them.

    Thai’s surely deserve someone better than a smiling, handsome liar like Abhisit. If the elites had respected the rules of the game [democracy] you wouldn’t have had this shit, but no, they wanted to force things through using the PAD mob, paying fakers of democracy like Sondhi, Chamlong to storm the airport. Where was Abhisit with his British Oxford fairplay ethics? Oh, probably that does not apply to PAD because Thai democracy is “unique”.

    Abhisit [the backdoor boy] does not respect democracy, but wants people to “respect the law and order”, WTF, if he had written that in his final year exam he would have failed his political philosophy paper.

  6. 6 Gloomy Observer 13 April 2009 at 6:56 am

    I have to say so far the army appears quite disciplined and firing in the air is clearing some lightly-manned red-held areas; but government house is another thing. and the clock is ticking – when everyone gets back from Songkran the city will be a LOT more crowded…

  7. 7 Dave Howden 13 April 2009 at 7:37 am

    The Real Problem ??

    I think the real problem is at a level above day to day Thai politics, that never ending shambles of snouts in the trough “elected” politicians paying slim brained followers to wear the colour of the day and do thier dirty work.

    It may not be long before the inevitable succession wakes people from their current fairytale lifestyle where a “God Save the King” solves any problem, to one more suitable for the 21st century.

  8. 8 Olaus 13 April 2009 at 8:12 am

    It will not stop.
    Even if the army frightens every red shirt, there are enough people out there in the villages.
    Two weeks ago, when these 2000 Baht were distributed, the poor got nothing. Only the middleclass, who had a minimum salary of 15 000 Baht per month, was on the paylist.
    Such habit the poors will never forget.

  9. 9 ThaiCrisis 13 April 2009 at 8:15 am

    I think you have a point Olaus… We don’t really speak about… up country. We don’t really have information. We focus on Abhisit, the Reds in Bangkok… and ?
    Bangkok might be a large chunk of the thai economy… but the capital doesn’t weight much with population figures…

  10. 10 George P Tuckeer 13 April 2009 at 8:37 am

    Can’t have a proper discussion without getting the facts right.

    >Olaus said: “these 2000 Baht were distributed, the poor got nothing. Only the middleclass, who had a *minimum* salary of 15 000 Baht per month”

    The 2k payout went to those earning *less than* 15000 and NOT to those earning a *minimum* of 15k. Big difference.

    It would, however be correct to say that the payout did not go to many day-labourers, casual workers, unemployed, housewives, farmers, the street vendor, etc because such people aren’t registered wage-earners in the government record books. I would imagine such people are a little bitter.

  11. 11 ThaiCrisis 13 April 2009 at 8:40 am

    The point is not the ridiculous one time “special allowance” Abhisit the Clown decided to “stimulate” the economy (I’ve covered over and over this issue on my blog).

    The point is : what are the feelings, the mood of the people living up country, AKA the vast majority of the thai population ?

  12. 12 Olaus 13 April 2009 at 9:24 am

    George P Tuckeer
    I am sorry, I could not express myself clearly.

    I live in a small town in Isaan with many relatives in the villages around. None of these very poor got one baht, only people who are living in the town and are regarded as “rich” got. Of course the farmers are “a little bitter”.

    The rice gives very little and sometimes no income, depending on rain. (Today 7 Baht per kilogram for sticky rice)
    Fertilizer have gone up much in price.

    I wonder what will happen the day,the poor farmers start moving?

  13. 13 adam george 13 April 2009 at 9:39 am

    Yes, but what is the King doing about this trouble in Thailand? Why has he kept quiet and not made any statement to calm down the situation, in view of the former PM’s comments on revolution to stir up the crowds.

    It’s about time the King said something to calm the state down, or why is he there in the first place as Head of State?

  14. 14 thaichris 13 April 2009 at 10:19 am

    @Olaus

    What do these farmers expect? How will a change of the government and the retrait of Prem help?

  15. 15 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 10:51 am

    TC

    are they shooting with “blanks bullets” ?

    exactly ! I’d like to add:
    ARE THEY AIMING TO THE SKY ?

    Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd, Army spokesman …
    “The troops had to fire into the air. I repeat. They fired into the air…”
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/13/headlines/headlines_30100388.php

    right now some army guy talks on phone to TTV – he says “some people died, but not because soldiers shot them – it was some “third party”, some local people at Ding Daeng who organised and tried to repell Reds ”

    well, let me guess – were those “local people” wearing Blue by chance “? and perhaps balacklavas too, as those in Pattaya ? 😉

    this is pathetic! finally they admit under pressure from reporters that SOME died – but keep insisting that it was not because soldiers shot them.
    Sansern keeps insisting that NO ANY Reds died.

    and the taxi was also riddled by blank bullets

    according to witnesses (runaways who made it to main stage at GH to tell what they saw) – this taxi driver actually was trying to reach the 4 old women who were stuck in cross fire. soldiers started to shoot his car. you saw the video.

    so, this guy is DEAD ! this is from people who WERE there.

    government though continues their BS “nobody killed”.

    you can’t see the OUTRAGE and all the flaming rethorics as on Oct 7 2008 events – when police (not even army) did NOT even held rifles !

    what IS bias, huh ?

    BLACK SONGKRAN
    Opposition party wants urgent House meeting
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/13/politics/politics_30100438.php
    “4. The media must present neutral coverage as biased reports are dangerous. The party cannot accept the government’s muzzling of information. It demands that the government allow the public to get two sides of the story.”

    early this morning I swear I saw in some article (perhaps Nation’s) that Jatuporn tried to call all the TV channels in Bkk with request to interview him – they ALL refused !
    now I can’t even find this article anymore – apparently even this mentioning already was enough to censor it and take it out.

  16. 16 Olaus 13 April 2009 at 10:57 am

    Thaicris

    I think the farmers want a better life. They got this idea under Thaksin. It became possible to visit a doctor. Some could borrow money. And waterreservoirs were built, after Thaksin had made his visit.
    Now they want to proceed, but with the government of today nothing happens.

  17. 17 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 11:00 am

    @thaichris

    What do these farmers expect?

    hmmmm…. let’s guess

    say, EQUAL RIGHTS to vote and have their say in country’s affaris?

    or

    NOT using rifles with real bullets on them?
    as, for example NEVER soldiers and police had any guns and rifles during 5 months of PAD protests, occupying GH and 2 airports ?

    there might be many other expectations too. like, NON elected strongmen meddling in politics.

    well, at the moment on the main stage they are singing songs “kamrang jai” to each other to meet their fate. some woman apparently addressing soldiers said in microphone – “Welcome, we’ve missed you”. she requested 30 women volunteers to go and present FLOWERS to soldiers.

    and the gun fire is clearly heard at the background.

    so, let people guess what these farmers expect. they are singing songs and are ready to die if army shoot them.

  18. 18 nic 13 April 2009 at 11:19 am

    “I have to say so far the army appears quite disciplined and firing in the air”…
    sad to say, the bullets have to fall down again and could even kill!

  19. 19 Mr. Discobbolos 13 April 2009 at 11:24 am

    @Gloomy Observer

    Have just spoken with Mrs. Discobbolos in Chiang Rai.

    It’s Sonkran as normal!

  20. 20 bedwyr 13 April 2009 at 11:31 am

    @ThaiChris:

    You miss the point. My reading of this is that the government and Prem are irrelevant except as symbols of an unacceptable and mediaeval socisl structure. Even Thaksin is irrelevant except as a symbol of possible liberation, he was after all the first PM who showed any interest in the poor, even though he was without doubt a thieving scumbag.

    The farmers are fed up with the feudal system which means they work hard and stay poor, and a few rich guys profit from the sweat on their backs and then proceed to lord it over them.

    I think I would be fed up with it too.

    Bedwyr

  21. 21 Mr. Discobbolos 13 April 2009 at 11:39 am

    2nd UPDATE: Troops Occupy Area Near Main Bangkok Protest Site

    (Adds fresh gunfire and tear gas)

    BANGKOK (AFP)–Trucks carrying hundreds of Thai troops Monday moved into an area near the prime minister’s office in Bangkok, the main site where thousands of protesters have gathered.

    Fresh gunfire could be heard, and clouds of tear gas spread around the area.

    Dozens of protesters who had been stationed in the area, Royal Plaza, left quickly as the soldiers moved in and headed toward the central protest center at Government House less than one kilometer (less than a mile) away.

    As they left, dozens of crying, female antigovernment demonstrators brought soldiers pink roses and knelt in front of a portrait of Thailand’s revered king, the photographer said.

    A senior military official confirmed that the troops had moved in, saying that the aim was to “contain protesters in one single spot and prevent more protesters from going in.”

    He said there were now up to 4,000 protesters in front of Government House.

    Dow Jones Newswires

    http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20090413ACQDJON200904130723DOWJONESDJONLINE000118.htm&selected=9999&selecteddisplaysymbol=9999&StoryTargetFrame=_top&mkt=WORLD&chk=unchecked&lang=&link=&headlinereturnpage=http://www.international.na

  22. 22 Mr. Discobbolos 13 April 2009 at 11:42 am

    In pictures: Anti-government protests in Thailand

    http://www2.jpscotland.co.uk/slideshows/newsslideshows/bangkok/

  23. 23 Mr. Discobbolos 13 April 2009 at 11:54 am

    THAI UNREST WEIGHS ON RATINGS
    Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s, which already have a negative outlook for Thailand’s sovereign ratings, said on Monday that renewed political unrest this week had increased the risk of a sovereign downgrade.

    http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090413.wthailandratings0413/BNStory/Business/home

  24. 24 fall 13 April 2009 at 11:59 am

    Surprise, surprise… Thaienews is now blocked…

  25. 25 Thai Insanity 13 April 2009 at 12:14 pm

    MINISTRY BUILDING ON FIRE
    A Building in Thailand’s education ministry complex is ablaze after being hit by petrol bombs, a security guard said Monday as anti-government protests raged in the capital.

    http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_363063.html

  26. 26 Thai Insanity 13 April 2009 at 12:21 pm

    @ Fall
    Surprise, surprise… Thaienews is now blocked…

    Thai Global Network showing scenes of happy Sonkran!

  27. 27 antipadshist 13 April 2009 at 12:24 pm

    talking about Bias more ….

    at the moment on-line Reds’ radio website (uddtoday.ning.com ) which was still broadcasting LIVE from GH at 5pm was BLOCKED !

    it shows message:

    Connection Interrupted

    by …

    http://w3.mict.go.th/

    MCIT – government’s Ministry for Information

    this is DEMOCRAT PARTY, hey ABHISIT ?

    WHERE THE F*CK is their DEMOCRATIC ensuring of FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND INFORMATION , huh?

    at least PAD had 24/7 LIVE broadcast ASTV – NOBODY blocked their broadcasting !

    well, there are MANY Thai in US, UK and other Western countries, who are well educated and created many relay websites on those coutries, which can’t be blocked so quickly.
    (I don’t mention them here to at least delay their blockage).
    still on some of those websites D-Station Radio continues broadcasting even now.

    soldiers are already at GH, even Modern 9 channel just now shown footage of 30 Red women coming forward to meet soldiers with flowers, weeping, and sitting down in front of them.
    soldiers look embarrased.

    so, I guess it is a matter of minutes till the main rally in front of GH is cleared. but I think soldiers won’t shoot protesters here, coz it is a main core, not fierce resistance as in some other parts of the city.

  28. 28 David Brown 13 April 2009 at 12:33 pm

    seems that the websites for feeding the GH rally TV and radio have been blocked ….

    no visibility for what the army do?

    I hope there are foreign journalists at the rally!

  29. 29 Gloomy Observer 13 April 2009 at 12:35 pm

    It seems the government “win” this battle, but it’s the aftermath that counts; what happens next…does anyone really think we go back to business as usual tomorrow morning?!

  30. 30 George P Tuckeer 13 April 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Olaus,
    I didn’t mean to be critical. Just want to keep the facts straight.

    I’d be grateful if you could keep us informed as to what the thinking is among the people in your village in connection to the events unfolding now.

    I agree that Thaksin did help the poor, even if his main intent was self-aggrandizement. Thaksin woke them up to the fact that they did have some power and no doubt they know that this modicum of power has been taken from them since the 2006 coup.

    There is a silent majority in the North that truly support Thaksin. I’ve met northerners who’ve said to me: “I love Thaksin and he’s never given me a satang.”

    he may be a scumbag, but he’s their scumbag.

  31. 31 thaichris 14 April 2009 at 2:13 am

    @Olaus

    I agree for the medical treatment. OTOP was a success to some extents. He managed to make mos state agencies more efficient. And he did a good job in moving projects forward. But only a little part of his activities hve been a real benefit for the poor in Isan.

    Borrow some money? I like to question this. It is helpfull for the one’s who invest the money in order to be more productive. Unfortunatelly it ended up for the most in selling there land because they used the money to buy consumer good with no added value to there economical situation.

    Anything else? Did you hear about the 1 million cow program of the Thaksin governement. The budget has been used up so there must be 1 million families which got a cow. Ask around if anybody in your neibourhoud got such a cow. Did you hear of the ‘fertilizer for free’ program? Ask if any of your neibours got fertilizer for free – and, if yes, ask them about the quality. Rubber sampling, cheap credits for taxis … all of it only filled up the pockets of Thaksin and his crownies. He gave them almes and took the rest.

    The big step forward for the rural happend 15 – 20 years earlier. Elektrification, roads, dams etc. All these programs have been initiated under Prem between 1980 and 1988.

    The farmers always have been robbed by there own people, the local traders buying the rice at low rates and selling it to the government at a high price. The local rice mill’s. The local mafia. And these people are leading them no into the war in Bangkok. Do you really think they care about the poor?

    It was the business community in Bangkok which invested into factories to give the urban class a chance to make some extra money working in the factories.

    The current government haven’t been given the chance to show that they care about the poor, at least not with meassurable steps. The ‘free education’ program is a first step. The Abhisit government is in charge only for 3 month. They deserve a chance.

    @bedwyr

    … The farmers are fed up with the feudal system which means they work hard and stay poor, and a few rich guys profit from the sweat on their backs and then proceed to lord it over them.

    I think I would be fed up with it too …

    Isn’t that the system all over the world? 20% of working poor in Germany, 200 million immigration workers in China, 10 million illegal in the USA. You talk about revolution, free th poor, equality.
    Maybee the ‘farang’ should start first. Because all of us profit from that system established in the 3rd world contries. Eating cheap shrimps from Thailand, importig rice, buying dvd players made in factories by workers earning less than 10 dollar a day. Living in Thailand on our pension money moving up the prices for the local Thais, going after there daughters, taking chea rides in the taxis in Bangkok.

    So please don’t talk about ‘help for the poor’.

    @antipadshist

    You can say whatever you want. For me you are just a propagandist for Thaksin. I can’t take you serious (similar to many blog’s of the YELLOW). I didn’t see not one single poitive commentfrom your side. But as we all know, nothing is only bad as nothin is ony good. Try to be more balanced. Or be ignord.

  32. 32 Bedwyr 14 April 2009 at 4:37 am

    @George:

    Fully agree, and therein lies his power. The lesser of two evils. I have heard so many people now say that if it is a choice between the King and Thaksin then they will have Thaksin – I no longer prompt the question.

    It seems that people awaken even from the deepest slumber and the worst nightmare.

    Bedwyr

  33. 33 Bedwyr 14 April 2009 at 4:43 am

    @ThaiChris:

    “Isn’t that the system all over the world? 20% of working poor in Germany, 200 million immigration workers in China, 10 million illegal in the USA. You talk about revolution, free th poor, equality.”

    Yes, but. Thailand is among the most corrupt countries in the world. Shoud we accept that because there are some dishonest people everywhere?

    It is a question of extent. Degree if you will, rather than kind.

    Bedwyr

  34. 34 Bedwyr 15 April 2009 at 2:52 am

    @ThaiChris:

    I beg to differ, and I am walking the walk, not just talking the talk. Even though I don’t live in Thailand, I own a company there, which I manage from here.

    I employ a small number of Thais. I pay them twice the amount I could get away with paying them (ie what their own countrymen pooyay would pay them), and they have do do less working hours than if a Thai employed them.

    I also paid 1 million baht to re-build a 2 houses for 2 Thai families because what they were living in was a shanty. I expected no reward for this and I got no reward (of any kind). I did it because I felt it was the right thing to do and because their fellow Thais would do nothing.

    So kindly don’t lecture me on caring for the poor. I have already out my money where my mouth is. I treat poor Thais better than elite Thais treat Thais and I don’t just talk about it.

    Other than that, most of your posts have been good.

    Bedwyr

  35. 35 George P Tuckeer 16 April 2009 at 4:00 am

    @ThaiChris:
    First you say some really insightful things, and then bizarely, this:
    “Living in Thailand on our pension money moving up the prices for the local Thais, going after there daughters, taking chea rides in the taxis in Bangkok.”

    I’m baffled at why you would think this way. Bringing in foreign exchange earned elsewhere and spending it locally thus stimulating the local economy — how can this be possibly construed as bad for Thais in general?

    As for “going after their daughters” – you clearly have no idea how sexual politics works. From what I’ve seen, it’s the daughters abandoned by their Thai husbands that go after the stupid old farang geezer, kids in tow.

    Also, you said “It was the business community in Bangkok which invested into factories to give the urban class a chance to make some extra money working in the factories.”

    Well, how altruistic of the biz community in Bangkok. How can you semingly praise the BKK Biz community while at the same time criticize first world consumers for benefiting from cheap DVD players made by $10/day workers in developing country factories (presumably these aren’t the same factories established by BKK businessmen?)

    As bedwyre said, your other posts are good. Perhaps you just got a little carried away with this one.

    Cheers/G


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