Arrest warrant for 13 protesters leaders… and Thaksin

Thai authorities have issued arrest warrants for 13 protest leaders and the man the protesters support, former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

A police spokesman said the group had been charged with inciting a public disturbance and illegal assembly. (BBC)

A rather strange news. Arrest warrants are often like living creatures in Thailand, with their own intelligence and behaviors. 😉

A court can issue an arrest warrant for a man who is living one block away… and the police will never find the man. Sometimes, the guy is arrested before the arrest warrant is issued. Or sometimes the arrest warrant is a way to warn the guy, so he can have enough time… to flee -conveniently- to a foreign country etc.

So what to think about this news ? Purge process ? Saving face exercice ?

Too early to say.

32 Responses to “Arrest warrant for 13 protesters leaders… and Thaksin”

  1. 1 E. Spitzer 14 April 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I hope someone realizes that this is the perfect opportunity to grant amnesty to everybody Yellow and Red (Except for Thaksin). This would solve the government’s problem about what to do with the Yellows they promised to prosecute, but don’t want to.

  2. 2 Bedwyr 14 April 2009 at 2:09 pm

    A strange contrast really, impressive in its own awy.

    5 months to charge the PAD, less than 1 day to charge the UDD.

    This is a very very stupid move, but Abhisit is not to blame, he is only following orders. The elites are making sure everyone knows that they are in charge and the law is something they insist that othwers obey, while ignoring it themselves.

    The incongruence will be very obvious to all and sundry and I suspect this on its own will bring more and more violent protest.

    Abhisit probably has only a few days to make sure that the PAD chargees turn up in court on the same day as the Reds. I don’t think he can do it.

    Very very stupid.


  3. 3 ThaiCrisis 14 April 2009 at 2:30 pm

    I think Spitzer, you’ve got a point. A good “test point”.

    Indeed it would be the perfect solution (if “reconciliation” is really wanted) : to charge UDD, quickly… then…. grant a general amnesty. That will benefit to the PAD too. Case closed, everybody is happy, both camps, for whatever they did, can come clean.

    It will remove the burden of the “symmetry” (expressed by Bedwyr : “why 1 day for UDD, 5 months for PAD ?”).

  4. 4 antipadshist 14 April 2009 at 2:30 pm

    army spokesman Sansern again speaking LIVE on TV (all channels) with 2 “official” doctors as government’s witnesses that there were no deaths.

    Sansern made a very strong message:
    those who try to give to you some photos (2 photos were mentioned) on the road as allaged evidence – don’t believe them.
    government will make sure to block and shut down ALL the websites which post any info which is not in line with government/ army’s line, and which post photos of killed people.

    on several web boards some (Yellow people I guess) are on the rampage slant against Reds and started to threaten ANYONE who tries to voice any alternative opinion. in one thread on Pantip some woman posted : “if moderator doesn’t delete such post – I’ll report ALL those people to MICT”

    well, it looks like it is becoming harsher than China’s internet control. or may be Myanmar / NK.

    this is scary ! the “Abhisitocracy” starts promising to be even more hypocritical than Premocracy in 80s, and perhaps only would be compared in history books with Pibil’s, Thaonm’s and Sarit’s.

    now some ajarn on “Nation Chanau” demagoguing about what some foreign agencies as BBC have reported as heard from “Reds”.

    so, whatever Reds would say from now on – I guess will be thoroughly countered, proved wrong as disinformation and misleading, etc. perhaps this is the beginning of new period even harsher than in 70s after Oct 14th 73.

    well, let’s see – can the Thailand keep isolated from the rest of the wolrd and hide behind its internet firewalls, as well as the Western MSM, and especially the might of non-MSM sources of information.

  5. 5 Bedwyr 14 April 2009 at 3:01 pm


    You might be right. I had not seen that possibility – not sneaky enough to be a guru really… If Abhisit is smart he will do that and come out ahead.

    The problem is the elites love to spank their underlings and this will not give them an opportunity to spank, so it could go either way.

    We shall see.


  6. 6 Bedwyr 14 April 2009 at 3:02 pm

    2Spitzer & TC:

    Sorry, I hadn’t seen Spitzers comment. Credit where due…

    Speak in haste, repent at leisure.


  7. 7 peace lover 14 April 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Im not thai, you can say i am foreigner. The thing that wonder me is what is actually the main issue of current thai crisis? is it anything related to misuse of government power or corruption toward new government?
    I am just wondering which PM is actually can satisfy thai. in the end, what we need is political stability and security in order to drive our nation to be success. Just want to know. No offense

  8. 8 fall 14 April 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Haven’t you heard? The government is broke.
    They need that juicy 7 Billion bank account…

    With everyone feeling high from peace and tide of condemnation for RED. The court can sentence a hanging parade and confiscate that account in no time.

  9. 9 antipadshist 14 April 2009 at 5:37 pm

    @peace lover

    you might take time reading the WHOLE this blog to get the “main issue” ! BTW – read comments too. 🙂

    luckily TC provides an archive on the right – since May 2007 as I can see.

    many here has changed their mind (opinions) towards many issues quite dramatically after some time.

    so, it can’t be explained properly too briefly.

    although perhaps a lame attempt and even super-simplification would be something Marx-like (or whas that Lenin?) quite famous definition of “Revolutionary situation”:

    “those at the top cannot rule in old ways, and those at the bottom do not want to accept these ways any more”.
    (perhaps that’s why Thaksin has anounced this recent Reds rallies as “Revolution” ? althoug I’m not so sure he reads Marx)

    when there are these 2 things together – certainly there would be a conflict or in other words crisis. how it will unfold – greatly depends. but the reality is certain – there is a crisis. and it is not gonna go away by simplifying it.

    about your other question (more like minor in comparison to 1st one) about “which PM” …

    ha ! at this moment I bet NOBODY can answer that ! 😀

    P.S. peace is a good thing – but unfortunately most often is a Utopian idea. even biggest pacifisct Gandhi has been known to regret certain things as attempted separation of E. and W. Pakistan from India through “peaceful” way – which actually caused huge number of deaths.

  10. 10 antipadshist 14 April 2009 at 6:13 pm


    interestingly (is it just a coincindence?), just quick Google search gave me 14 results for mentioning phrase “revolutionary situation” in past week in regard to Thailand.

    some articles seems merely use this phrase for convinience. other elaborate a bit, like this one, supporting the main premise by several evidences (unlike some Thai “ajarns” who mostly employ fallacious demagogue tricks).

    this article is worht readintg I think :

    On the brink, again
    “A range of evidence indicates that the country is on the brink of a revolutionary situation. In this context, the fate of the Abhisit government represents a minor consideration

    … neither an election nor a mediated process of reconciliation is likely to resolve Thailand’s present revolutionary situation… Prospects for reconciliation in the interests of the national good are also slim.

    The Thai military may yet use violence against the red shirts. This may require it to mount crackdowns not only in Bangkok but also across much of provincial Thailand. At best, such an effort will bring temporary quiet. At worst, it may exacerbate divisions among Thailand’s soldiers and policemen, leading to Thais spilling the blood of fellow Thais.

    But revolutions need not be violent. The revolutionary situation on the brink of which the country now seems to stand can lead to a new Thailand, one in which there is room for all Thais to participate constructively.

    I like especially the last part !

    I haven’t read the other 13 articles, although one looks as copy or quote of the above article.

    so, if Abhisit really has brains at all, I think he better listen to the wise words of this author – not try to use some of his local Thai partisan and deeply biased ajarns for further government propaganda on all TV channels.

    also, Thai ajarns I think should USE THEIR BRAINS and think properly and carefully about the things said in this article by Michael J. Montesano.
    (unbelivable ! SOO MANY ajarns lately in Thailand ! and all of them somehow so coincidentally happen to get a lot of TV time – often at the SAME TIME on all the different channels – whichever channel you switch to – there is some ajarn pontificating ! 🙂 )

  11. 11 Mony 14 April 2009 at 7:24 pm

    They put out an arrest warrant for these protesters who delayed a meeting for an ASEAN meeting, yet they didn’t send out anything for the bastard who delayed the flights of tens of thousands of people left stranded at the airport.

    The law is only being followed by the military when it is convenient.

    Abhisit Vejjajiva, you are a weak f*cking bastardly coward. Grow some balls, go against the elites, and start thinking about the people. Don’t tell me ethics and humanity were left out of your Oxford courses.

  12. 12 antipadshist 14 April 2009 at 9:45 pm


    I do agree with you.

    however I find some interesting stuff in latest Editorial on Nation by its cheif Editor Thanong, who although usually humors us by almost lunatic fantasies, sometimes has a slip of tongue it seems. so, here I have learned the following, pay attention :

    “Abhisit has prevailed despite the military, the police, the security people and his own political partners plotting against him…
    Though we have no evidence to substantiate doubts that these top people are linked to Thaksin, we did not see Army chief General Anupong Paochinda or police boss Patcharawat Wongsuwan show up while the red shirts were ambushing the Asean Summit. The security forces were not doing their duty, standing by idly as the protesters wreaked havoc in Pattaya…
    Abhisit is known to have sought advice from a special unit, set up in haste under his command…

    At this hour, with the power of the emergency decree in his hand, it is Abhisit – not the Army chief – who is the most powerful person in Thailand. He must use this occasion wisely by controlling the red shirts and dealing with the failure of the security apparatus, which has been undermining national interest and the government’s stability.

    We expect to see a reshuffle of top security and peacekeeping personnel soon.

    However, if Abhisit resorts to his image of a timid Oxford graduate, he would be missing out on an opportunity to take the country forward. Now is the time for him to stand tall and be the prime minister of Thailand.

    hmmm, WOW! Hero Abhisit! the MOST powerfull, huh ?
    someone perhaps may pick up the wiff and consider that such Thanong’s statement smells as …. LM ? 😉

    also interesting some sort of explanation of why PAD recently (see: PAD demands PM sack deputy PM, defence minister has lashed out at Anupong – here thanong hints at Anupong’s sympathasing with Thaksin. well, come to think of it – now I recall that earlier (during their advantures at GH and 2 airports) PAD has already lashed out at Anupong, and brought up an accusation that “Anupong, may be Thaksin pays for education of your son in UK?”, which of course caused instant strong denial reaction from Anupong. well, that time Thaksin was in UK – but now he is not.

    yet surely this Thanong’s advises to Abhisit to “grow balls” (as Mony nicely put it ! 😀 ) and be a sort of tough guy (stand tall – I bet Thanong loves that movie “Standing Tall” ? ) looks to me very much similar to that PAD’s demands.

    it would be very interesting to see if Abhisit will play according to PAD’s demands and sack SUthep, Anupong and other guys…

  13. 13 George P Tuckeer 15 April 2009 at 5:18 am

    Spitzer’s right. (first comment above). If reconciliation and peaceful progress is the goal, the government must begin with a general amnesty for the reds and yellows. It will not solve everything, but it would be a promising beginning.

    Will it happen? I hope so, but doubt it. Teaching the upstarts a lesson and putting them back in their place is imbedded deep in the blood of the elite, where ever one finds such people. As long as there is a sense of entitlement, there will be no justice and where there is no justice, there an be no reconciliation. Without reconciliation, the resentments will continue to seethe.

  14. 14 chinesethai 15 April 2009 at 5:34 am

    See why the tide abruptly turned against Thaksin.

    Remember what he said just a week ago?

    “I wanted to come back there to share your pain. You feel the pain, so do I.”

    What did he say yesterday?

    “ตอนนี้ผมมีความสุขดีในนอกประเทศ” Now I am happy outside Thailand.

    My message to the worms….

    You can continue to rant about either Abhisit’s incompetence, PAD or whoever you want. But accepting the truth.

  15. 15 ThaiCrisis 15 April 2009 at 6:44 am

    CT, you should be humble… And you should remember september 2006. What happened then ? Thaksin was over. Finished. Below zero. A military coup. The almighty thai army ousted him like a maid.

    And then… what happened ? You know very well.

    So yes Thaksin lost it. No question about that. 100 %. But if you believe that it’s over… I mean totally over…. then you’re making a big mistake

    It’s only the beginning of the trouble, and you know very well why.

  16. 16 antipadshist 15 April 2009 at 7:07 am

    TC – he , humble ?
    the best he can do is – personal attacks.

    how it is possible, since those who doesn’t buy his crap are “worm” 😉 such a humility !

    this is WHY all these Red “ban-nork” are furious and in red rage against the urban elite and middle-class : because they put them down SO much !

    don’t you just love it how such people keep switching the subject to Thaksin ! (remember Phillip Gollingal’s post about Yellow Fever ?)

    “americans never been on Moon !”
    “yes – because Thaksin …..”

    “Iraq never had WMD”
    “yes – but Thaksin …”

    “don’t drive drunk, especially on SOngkran !”
    “yes – but Thaksin … ”

    “hey, we’re already talking about another subject!”
    “yes – but Thaksin … ”

    meanwhile Abhisit will be known in the history of Thailand as “Democrat” PM who has opened fire on protesters – same as Thanom in 73 or Suchinda in 92.

    I know, I know:
    “yes – but Thaksin … ” – DID NOT ! 😉
    (PAD rallied in thousands several months in 2006)
    even though he is not a “Democrat”.

    and it is the truth.

  17. 17 chinesethai 15 April 2009 at 7:39 am

    TC, thanks for your advice. I am always humble to the blog owner…. and to the opposite side, who discuss the issues based on facts ONLY.

    Thaksin was almost over but he recovered because of the indecisiveness and clumsiness of the coup makers.

    As for Abhisit, I would give him only 5 out of 10 in handling the riot. He is just an extremely lucky guy, who survived assassination attempts twice. The man who saved him this time is General Songkitti Jakkabart, the Army Supreme Commander. Anupong is clearly out of the radar screen.

    I don’t either mean or believe it’s totally over. However, it is undeniable that Thaksin’s clout in the international stage as “democracy activist” is considerably diminished. His popularity among the Bangkok poor, is also falling as his Red Shirts shot dead 2 innocent civilians, a gas tank almost exploded and killed Dindaeng residents, mostly Thaksin supporters, and Muslim community angered as their Mosque was vandalized.

    Thaksin also made a big mistake yesterday on BBC, uncovering his lies. The print edition of Post Today, the Thai Version of Bangkok Post, today published the script of Thaksin’s interview on BBC in both Thai and English. He made mistake by first saying “YES” to the question whether he was behind the riot.

    ***Many taxi drivers have begun to feel dismayed and deserted by the Shinawatras as all of Thaksin’s siblings and their families have already fled overseas, leaving many Red Shirt leaders arrested. One of Thaksin’s younger sisters (I don’t remember it’s Yaowapa or Yingluck) recently even said in the newspapers that they are abroad for pleasure and shopping!

    ***Sondhi Limthongkul, Prachai Liaopairach, Chamlong Srimuang, ex-Foreign Minister Surakiart Sathirathai, Nevin Chidchob, actually all the characters that are currently against Thaksin, PAD or Non-PAD alike, were all Thaksin’s close friends. But what happened to their relationship with Thaksin at later stages? Thaksin is known to be a betrayer. Jakkrapob Penkair, Veera Musikapong, Nattawut Saikuea, Jatuporn Prompan, Arisman Pongruangrong….do you think Thaksin will rescue these names?

    ***Nothing from Thaksin’s opponents have ever done anything to Thaksin. Thaksin just tripped himself up.

    True, the uncertainty about royal succession remains alive. But at least a complicating factor like Thaksin is being neutralized not by Abhisit, Prem or PAD but by Thaksin himself.

  18. 18 chinesethai 15 April 2009 at 7:54 am


    “this is WHY all these Red “ban-nork” are furious and in red rage against the urban elite and middle-class : because they put them down SO much !”

    —The theories of “Elite VS Poor” and Class War are proven to be ridiculous.

    Go ask people in Rajaburi, Petchaburi, Chonburi, Chantaburi people, and Southerners as to what they are thinking. They are only so “Ban Nork” and poor, you know. So why did they not join the Red Shirt?

    Go ask Din Daeng residents, who were Thaksin’s staunch supporters, as to how they think of the Red Shirt putting a gas tank in front of their flats the other day.

    And ask yourself why some Reds are retreating into a world of delusion. Giles Ungpakorn is in London, enjoying his British Citizenship and well-heeled quality of living there. I believe he would gladly welcome the Reds.

  19. 19 Gloomy Observer 15 April 2009 at 8:01 am

    If Thaksin is out of the picture (big if) perhaps we can have a slightly more mature level of discussion vis-a-vis the necessity (or otherwise) of political reforms?

  20. 20 ray 15 April 2009 at 10:57 am

    as of the latest the foreign ministry is getting the ball rolling on revoking thaksin ‘s passport. abisit 5/10? come on.. he deserves alot more than that. on saturday after the pattaya nobody , even abisit’s staunch supporters believed he would last 72 hours. all politica gurus already predicted thaksin victory. many people who were on the sidelines , came on the red stage openly, jumping on the thaksin band wagon. but things turned around. never before has a thai govt been successful in dispersing any anti-govt protest.

    they pad leaders were charged with treason but the red leaders are not yet charged with treason. this thing is not over buit as of now abisit has upper hand against thaksin. the coalition parties did not come in to help and now the public thinks that abisit took care of the situation all by himself.

    the master stroke was declaring state of emergency. he had all powers and could have fired top heads of army/police. i thinks thats when they fell in line.

  21. 21 Tarrin 15 April 2009 at 11:48 am

    Agree with gloomy Observer,

    I’m very indifferent about Thaksin, whether he’s a good or a bad man is really subjective, if Thai’s law has the definitional of “good man/woman” (ala the editor of nation who got pardon from 2 years lese majeste just be cause he is a good man) then we might not have this argument in the first place.

    However, I’m against people like Chinesethai who, somehow, legitimize the coup simply because they hate Thaksin to the gut. Here is the logic that you might think about, if a person is corrupted, do you “blame” the person for being corrupted, or, “blame” the system for doesnt have the transparency or power checking?

    Btw, in the parliamentary world, you dont check the power of the parliament because it is the sole elected executive body, not like the republic system where you have 3 elected bodies.

  22. 22 Vox Populi 15 April 2009 at 1:22 pm

    “Go ask people in Rajaburi, Petchaburi, Chonburi, Chantaburi people, and Southerners as to what they are thinking.”

    Have you done this? Don’t forget that a goodly bunch of the red shirts rioting in BKK came from neiboring provinces (I remember seeing a flag saying something along the lines of “Ayutthaya people love Thaksin”).

    I’ve just come back from Songkran in Isaan. The majority of people I spoke to were ambivalent about the red shirts, but were keenly aware of the double standards demonstrated in how they were dealt with. I also heard (for the first time ever) some pungent comments about a certain institution–not the person, mind you, but the institution itself, and the role it might be expected to play in a democracy.

    You might want to try actually leaving Bangkok sometimes. And arguing from facts, of course, but that’s probably expecting to much. Sons of China fighting for the Nation, eh?

  23. 23 antipadshist 15 April 2009 at 5:02 pm


    I don’t have to tell you anything.

    did you forget that for you – I am a WORM, not worthy to talk to such an exalted person as you, or even to raise my eyes at you – only to bow down my head when you, the MASTER are talking ? 😉

    so, please spare me !
    or crash me under your foot as a worm I am. 🙂

    otherwise – APOLOGIZE first for your personal attack before you wanna me talk with you !

  24. 24 antipadshist 15 April 2009 at 6:29 pm

    right now TTV (Nation’s TV channel) is showing a video footage of 2 corps floating in Chao Phraya river, and bystanders staring at it a some authorities try to retrive them.

    TV reporters clearly said are Reds.

    earlier there was also TV report video showing another corpse near the Dong Muang airport.

    I am sure more evidences will come up eventually.

  25. 25 ThaiCrisis 15 April 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Indeed, it’s the Archimedes law… thai sauce : a hidden corpse… tends to come up at the surface. Always.
    Well, I shouldn’t make cheap humor with that… Let’s hope… that the body count will not be too high.
    It would be so unconvenient for Abhisit…

  26. 26 chinesethai 16 April 2009 at 5:15 am


    No matter how excellent the system you design, as long as you hire bad guys to operate it, it will end up corrupted anyway. Banks know this well.


    Vox Populi:

    I have done this. I have just come back from Rajaburi and Petchaburi.

    As I explained in another blog here, each of Thailand’s regions is different. In the same region, each area has different degrees of “Pooyai Culture”. Isaan and the North are where Pooyai Culture is strongest while the culture is weakest in the South. I once raised a question as to if this is a “Elite VS Poor” as first suggested by many ex-communist Thai observers, why do the poor from the south not join UDD?

    It is a Chinese value. Always pay back to both the motherland and ancestral land.



    I give no apology for distortion.

  27. 27 chinesethai 16 April 2009 at 5:28 am


    Thaksin is facing another big setback. He is desperately finding any possible media outlets to voice his self-made downfall. His Red leaders were arrested. Muslim Bangkokians are very angry as their mosque was vandalized, if anybody watched Nation Channel yesterday.

    Al Jazeera finally uncovered his true colour yesterday.

  28. 28 whoopla 16 April 2009 at 7:18 am

    Thai Crisis, congratulations for being so magnanimous as to allow comments containing PAD propaganda from CT who is clearly in the pocket of the Manager and the Nation who he consistently quotes as the being the bearers of “facts”.
    Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

  29. 29 antipadshist 16 April 2009 at 7:44 am


    apparently your theme about Propoganda was picked up.

    check it out:

    New: The army on deaths of red shirts

    New: Violence and the media

    and here is my first article 🙂

    “Never believe anything until it is officially denied”

    after publishing it – I found that another blog already has 2 posts (first two links), especially the latest making comparison between Sansern’s spin and the declared investigation by some “activists” (“activists are setting up a clearing house to collect information regarding deaths and injuries”).

    I especially like the first his post !

    “PPT is concerned that this kind of unbalanced and sometimes frankly dishonest journalism contributes to an environment in which the Abhisit government will be allowed to claim an undeserved moral high ground, without being forced to explain its actions, undertake a serious investigation of the activities of the Thai military, or seriously confront the causes or consequences of the Songkran demonstrations. We urge PPT readers to challenge major media to conduct themselves with greater professional integrity and responsibility.

    I totally agree with this !

  30. 30 antipadshist 16 April 2009 at 8:44 am

    as Fonzi already commented : “Red are coming ! ” 🙂
    authorities brace for a new Red tide of protests and “Underground movement”

    More rallies ‘as soon as decree ends

    Red-shirt leaders such as Jatuporn Promphan, Jakrapob Penkair had earlier announced they were ready to stage an underground movement.

    Informants claim the new round of rallies were intended to be more dramatic than those that took place in recent days.

    provincial people would come to Bangkok to issue demands to the government.

    Democrat Party adviser Banyat Bantadtan believed the red shirt movement would revive after regrouping to try gather more strength.

    However, he said the longer the rallies went on, the more public opposition the red shirts would face before finally dying down.

    well, as I guessed before, Abhisit and Anupong knew well in advance about the post-crackdown scenatio. that is why Anupong made is so Urgent to acquire 1 billion Baht from government for ISOC, particularly in upcountry. and that is why now Army and government along with Thai partisan media are in such a hurry to spread their “Official truth” : to ensure “more public opposition”. 😉 surely ISOC has few more surprises for Reds.

    reportedly Pa Prem was quoted as saying that his “last dream” (he is 88y.o. already) is to establish some trustworthy General in charge of Security in Isaan.

  31. 31 chinesethai 16 April 2009 at 11:41 am


    The wife of the man, whose corpse was retrieved, has come forward and given an interview to the Nation that her husband was not either Yellow or Red. He went to the mob just to know what it would be like.

    No matter how much you keep distorting or ranting about Prem or Abhisit or PAD whoever, you cannot walk away from the facts that

    1. The Red Shirt is a violent mob.

    2. The Red Shirt instigated violence not for democracy at all, but for only one selfish man – Thaksin.

    3. And “you” are one of them.

  32. 32 whoopla 16 April 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Chinesethai, what do you mean by “And “you” are one of them.” ?

    Can’t you find a forum where you can rant at people who share your same miserable mindset?

    Why don’t you try thaivisa where the average brain power is neanderthal at best.

    They say water likes to find its own level. You will not find your level here.

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Coup, Economic slowdown, Terror In the South... The situation is worsening in Thailand. Bumpy road like often before.

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The key to understand the present turmoil is the inevitable... succession of King Bhumibol.

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