Abhisit in the time machine : “communists are still active”

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Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva says there is still a communist movement in the country, but he believes the general public would reject it.

He was commenting after the National Intelligence Coordinating Centre reported on Monday that some groups of people were conducting illegal political activities similar to those of the dissolved Communist Party of Thailand (CPT).

Mr Abhisit said it was clear there was still a comunist movement inThailand.

However, he was confident most people in the country were opposed to communism. (Bangkok Post)

Abhisit did it again. What ? To push the button of the warp time machine. Back to the 70s, when the “commies” were everywhere (hence the necessity of a little massacre in 1976)… Nostalgia ?

Anyway. Abhisit seems tired.

A more talented fearmonger would talk about the Flying Pig Flu Virus for instance. Much more efficient. More fashion. 😉

But… communists… really… It’s… old school. I’m sure the children don’t even know what is communism.

35 Responses to “Abhisit in the time machine : “communists are still active””


  1. 1 BangkokDan 29 April 2009 at 8:09 am

    Beautiful Photoshop. It looks so real. Like the commie threat.

  2. 2 ClubSiam 29 April 2009 at 8:16 am

    Communists in Thailand.
    Good excuse to violate some peoiples civil rights and maybe gets some assistance from Uncle Sam again$$$$$$$$.

  3. 3 antipadshist 29 April 2009 at 8:27 am

    yesterday Sondhi was quoted on TV as saying that Abhisit now has no any real invluence in government.

    now, about economy – here is an interesting article :

    Turmoil Stalls Phuket Vacation Home Boom
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/business/global/29phuket.html?ref=global

    “The market is not slow in Phuket; it is dead.
    It is absolutely dead”

  4. 4 chinesethai 29 April 2009 at 8:53 am

    ThaiCrisis:

    It is not really communism but remnants of CPT that are still alive. They are among both Yellows and Reds.

    Ex-CPTs and left-wingers among the Yellows of course no longer believe in revolution in order to force transition for fear of violence and chaos. So they do not want to weaken the Monarchy now but let it go obsolete by itself.

    However, Ex-CPTs among the Reds believe in abrupt transformation a.k.a. revolution according to old marxist theories, so does Thaksin, an extreme, greedy capitalist. They were using each other. Thaksin’s stature is waning as his poor constituents in Bangkok turned against him and his family were found shopping abroad while the Reds risked their lives fighting on the streets. There are calls among the Reds for “One Fat Man & Two Doctors”, who were close advisers to Thaksin, to come forward and lead.

    ThaiCrisis, I recommend you research the bios of Phoomtham Vejayachai (ภูมิธรรม เวชยชัย), Prommin Lertsuriyadej (พรหมินทร์ เลิศสุริยเดช), and Surapong Suebwonglee (สุรพงษ์ สืบวงศ์ลี). Like Abhisit, Chuan, Banharn, and Thaksin, all are of ethnic Chinese descendants.

  5. 5 Bedwyr 29 April 2009 at 10:25 am

    Well, I don’t feel discouraged or frustrated at this at all.

    When Mark feels he has to hit the big red button, we can know that he knows he is in trouble. If one is to believe the rumour mills in Thailand, he has no friends and even the army have been plotting a coup against him. The whole thing is unravelling faster than you can say “the whole thing is unravelling”.

    There is still lots of entertainment to be had in Thailand this year. I suspect the things we see in the press about Thaksin being finished are wishful so much thinking. For all the government says that Thais should ignore Thaksin and that Thaksin should be quiet and let things be, the government itself seems to be obsessed with the guy instead of getting on with the job that the Thai people pay them to do.

    I opined a while ago that Thai politics is nothing to do with managing the country, it is merely playtime when you can get fat on the public purse, settle old scores and play ‘face’ games to increase your self-esteem.

    It is one of the things the Thais really don’t understand about grown-up government. That Eton/Oxford education didn’t seem to do very much in terms of educating Markie Mark.

    Bedwyr

  6. 6 chinesethai 29 April 2009 at 10:26 am

    (more)
    You should have at least a thread on very recent reshuffles of commanders in the Thai Army. That, I think, adds another factor to the turbulence ahead. All of Thaksin classmates are gone while Nevin Chidchob’s allies are in, adding Nevin’s bargaining chips on Thaksin and other factions.

    Abhisit will be a forgotten man soon.

  7. 7 Tarrin 29 April 2009 at 11:04 am

    Haha your comment about Abhisit makes me laugh everytime.
    Anyway about commie, I dont know what Abhisit is getting from making such a comment, using the commie tactic doesnt mean that they are commie, if there is such a movement true anyway.

  8. 8 ThaiCrisis 29 April 2009 at 11:09 am

    That’s very interesting CT.
    So your theory is : Newin’s power is growing… and he could replace Abhisit ???

    Something is strange : how the conservators could let this thug, who was Thaksin’s friend before, taking more power ?

    They have had Thaksin 1. I’m sure they don’t want a Thaksin 2 !

  9. 9 ThaiCrisis 29 April 2009 at 11:15 am

    Yeah ! Let’s call in General Westmoreland, the Agent Orange, the AC-47 Spooky and some serious shit. I propose to start the Vietnam War again. Those damned Reds, those bloody commies won’t get through !

    Signed : corporal Abhisit.

    (god damned, I lost again my “Ride of the Valkyries” record.
    Richard (Wagner, he is my buddy) is going to be pissed off !)

  10. 10 chinesethai 29 April 2009 at 11:52 am

    TC:

    Nevin doesn’t need to replace Abhisit because Abhisit doesn’t have the gut to consolidate the power as PM in the first place. That has already reflected in the Pattaya clashes, in which Abhisit almost got killed twice. One day prior to the Blue VS Red clash in Pattaya, Nevin made a TV appearance, shedding some fake tears, appealing for his Ex-Boss Thaksin to stop instigate violence.

    Nevin’s power is actually growing, TC. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have defected from Thaksin’s camp. He sees the golden opportunity. His father, Chai Chidchob, now the House Speaker, made no secret in the past that his son wants to be a PM one day!

    The only reason, IMHO, that could give answer to your doubt as to why the Conservatives could let this thug emerge as the new force is they are weak and waning. They don’t want another Thaksin, of course. Why are they waning? Your blog has already explained why the Royal Succession is the core of this crisis. There has been no charismatic figure in sight powerful enough to ensure smooth transition so far. Usurping and self-serving politicians, Thaksin, police commanders, army generals, and left-wingers, even monks, see this as the opportunity to fill the vacuum.

    …..all at the expense of the entire Thai nation.

    The Thai society has been rotten to its core. 2 days ago, a young monk, named V.Vachira Medhi, called for a revamp/overhaul of the Sangha Supreme Council (Buddhist Monk Assoc of Thailand – มหาเถรสมาคม) to wake up and do something to the monks that joined the Red rioters and solve the problems of homosexual/transvestite monks and adultery in monastery. The problem is rampant but the Council itself also comprises aging, self-serving, greedy priests. There are more problems among the next generation, teachers, government employees, university professors, unskilled labours, etc.

    Many Thais I know are just thinking this is a Thai way or I am either too paranoid or unpatriotic. I guess Ayudhya Kingdom might have gone through this shortly before it lost sovereignty to Myanmar.

  11. 11 KV 29 April 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Yes, I saw the first signs of this yesterday on The Nation where they came up with the communist idea. Now even Abhisit has jumped into the wagon! Wow.

    Anyhow, what I noticed is the impression given that communism would somehow be illegal political activity in Thailand? How come? On what basis being a communist is crime in this country?

  12. 12 Cabby 29 April 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Commies are useful because they are anti-monarchy, and useful for drawing parallels with the Maoists in Nepal, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and North Korea. Communism is still pretty relevant in Asia and good for scare mongering. Can’t use the Islamic Jihad for that now since it might alienate political supporters down south or make people pay more attention to that particular mess.

  13. 13 George P Tuckeer 29 April 2009 at 2:45 pm

    The ThaiCrisis Blog: Better Read Than Dead!

  14. 14 whoopla 29 April 2009 at 6:02 pm

    While there is so much evidence that capitalism is dead or dying, why the denial that there are communist tendencies in the country?. Isn’t the Thai aversion to communism a leftover from it’s allegiance to the US cold war tentacles? With an education system largely for and in the hands of the business capitalist class, what chances are there that there is any real impartial education available on any subject, let alone on what communism really stands for. The PM’s stance just stinks of more socialist-phobic propaganda.

  15. 15 Philip 29 April 2009 at 7:00 pm

    At this time any and all aspersions, rumors, flaws can be used to further the campaign against TS. It does look that first the rumors must come out in the Nation so the powers can quote it.

    Asking people to focus on “old red” uniform worn by a Redshirt who gave himself up, looks feeble at best-can’t the mighty Intelligence services make up something without waiting for Nation to do it for them ?

  16. 16 ThaiCrisis 29 April 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Well after the bolcheviks… they could use the birmans. Good candidates too, always. What else ? The aliens of courses (UFO, flying saucers etc.). And (my first choice) : the Flying Pig Virus ! This one is a real winner. 😉

  17. 17 fall 29 April 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Sure, Newin can outsmart Abhisit in a blink of an eye on game of powerplay. But when we are talking about the real PM, it is not Abhisit.
    It is Newin vs Suthep.

  18. 18 ThaiCrisis 29 April 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Guys you scare me…. Newin as Prime Minister ? Only one solution : exile (or “exfiltration”) !

  19. 19 InPhuket 29 April 2009 at 9:56 pm

    RE: Turmoil Stalls Phuket Vacation Home Boom
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/business/global/29phuket.html?ref=global

    There are so many For Sale signs here, its impossible to look at anything else, yet among the Thai residents here, De Nile, is not just a river in Egypt.

  20. 20 antipadshist 30 April 2009 at 6:12 am

    “De-reddening” / Purge is underway 😉

    senior editors Sathien Junthimathorn & Chulalak Phukert were fired “for having been mouthpieces for the Thaksin regime, and blindly attacking the Abhisit government.”
    ( Senior columnists at Matichon sacked for their ‘red’ stance
    http://www.prachatai.net/english/node/1186 )

    interesting that Abhisit himself while being in opposition to Thaksin was supporting Thai MSM in their holy crusade for “media freedom” – when few reporters / newspapers were suited for libelous publications. now though it looks like Abhisit government can be accused of same ?

    although of course some may argue that it was not done by Abhisit himself. but then, neither Thaksin himself has fired Veera but also his own boss.

    so, “commies” are being found and purged – Abhisit after all in not in “time machine”, but more like “Back to the future” ! 🙂

  21. 21 Bedwyr 30 April 2009 at 10:35 am

    “Newin as Prime Minister ?”

    It is possible but imho not probable. Late last year while Somchai was still PM I blogged that Newin was the man to watch, and so it has turned out, albeit not in the way I (or anyone else except Anupong and Abhisit) honestly expected at the time.

    This guy is a moral barracuda, he is completely beyond the pale and I doubt he will survive to be PM.

    My money is still bullish on Thaksin, as loathesome as he is, he is not yet down and out, but his support will decay over time, which is why the government is drip-feeding propaganda – spreading it out. Thais have a short span of attention and a malleable sense of propriety as we all know.

    I notice that whenever he is referred to in the English-language press recently he is always referred to as ‘the fugitive Thaksin” or “convicted criminal Thaksin”, or some such thing. Unsurprising from the lamentable Nation, but it is truly disappointing to see the Bangkok Post kow-towing to and currying favour from the royalists in this way.

    Bedwyr

  22. 22 chinesethai 30 April 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Signs of Thaksin waning….

    – All of Thaksin’s Military Cadet Class 10 classmates in both the army are gone in the army reshuffles. The new guys are allies of Newin. A PM post will not be secure without the army’s backing.

    – Bangkok’s poor has turned against Thaksin.

    – Ex-CPT Red Shirts no longer count on Thaksin for leadership. They are operating their Anti-Royalist propaganda on their own. Some Red Farangs may find it fit join them now. hahahaha!!!

    – PTP MPs are waiting to jump ship. Their likeliest destination in sight is of course Newin.

    Newin has obviously calculated this before.

    Abhisit doesn’t need to meddle with Matichon. Coz Matichon is not a charity organization. It is a business that needs to retain readership. Firing Sathian Jantimathorn and his Pro-Thaksin entourage now to save the business is not a surprise.

  23. 23 sammy 30 April 2009 at 3:33 pm

    I see this as a proxy war between expansionist China (reds), who wants to see the monarchy out becasue it stands in the way of getting its greedy hands on Thailand – and the waning USA (yellows) that back the monarchy in order to hold onto its last SE Asia outpost. All the Thai players mentioned on this post are just shadow puppets; the people behind the screen directing them are in American and Bejing.

    Anyway, that’s how I see it.

  24. 24 chinesethai 30 April 2009 at 4:39 pm

    LATEST:

    Abhisit agrees to amend the constitutions, meaning that amnesty would possibly be granted to some 200+ TRTs/PPPs, who are banned from running in elections for 5 years. This guy is cruising for bruising once again.

  25. 25 chinesethai 30 April 2009 at 8:46 pm

    sammy,

    China has no reason to interfere in Thailand’s internal politics. In fact, China has very cordial relation with the Thai Monarchy, especially royal family members like Princesses Sirindhorn and Chulabhorn.

    Moreover, PAD Leader Sondhi Limthongkul, himself a Chinese, has special relation (guanxi) with many high-ranking CPC officials.

    Not only that, a substantial number of supporters within PAD are of ethnic Chinese minority. Some of them wear T-Shirts that have a message like 泰华人爱泰国 or “Chinese Thais love Thailand” on it.

    Another fact is that Ex-CPT Reds are all what Thais call “Broken-hearted Lefts (ซ้ายอกหัก)”, which means leftists that were deceived by the Communist Party of China.

  26. 26 sammy 30 April 2009 at 9:50 pm

    >>>China has no reason to interfere in Thailand’s internal politics.

    China has no reason to interfere in anyone’s internal politics but it does so all over the world. China has no problems telling other nations what to do and who they can receive on non state visits, etc. but it can also be subtle and work behind the scenes.

    >>>In fact, China has very cordial relation with the Thai Monarchy, especially royal family members like Princesses Sirindhorn and Chulabhorn.

    The king, himself, once expressed the opinion that China is a dangerous, expansionist power. Those were his exact words, I believe. He was the rock that anchored Thailand’s efforts to stop communism here and he approved the deal to end the CPC’s support for CPT.

    If you spend any time around the universities in China and see the curriculum the government teaches, including to secondary school system, read the blogs and posts not censored, you will know that China teaches the Thai king is a tyrant who oppresses the Thai people. That is what they teach and want their people believe. The nice cordial show for us is exactly that; a show.

    >>>Moreover, PAD Leader Sondhi Limthongkul, himself a Chinese, has special relation (guanxi) with many high-ranking CPC officials.

    As does Thaksin. And weren’t they formerly buddies before their split? My point is about who is backing the reds and yellows.

    >>>Not only that, a substantial number of supporters within PAD are of ethnic Chinese minority. Some of them wear T-Shirts that have a message like 泰华人爱泰国 or “Chinese Thais love Thailand” on it.

    Again, so? The reds had a banner making slander about Chinese Thai during the riots in Bangkok, but who is their leader? Thaksin. And who can be more chinese than him?

    All these guys dine at Chinese banquets. But, again, my point is about who is backing them. Many ethnic Chinese Thai have acculturated and consider themselves Thai and live “Thai Style”. It’s the others that have not that I wonder about. What really bothers me, personally, about the Chinese issue is not the communisim angle, but the number of Chinese running around with fresh Thai citizenship that have lived here only a short time. The citizenship mill in Chiang Mai and Bangkok, where all these Chinese who cannot have possibly fufilled their residency requirements, that still somehow miraculously get citizenship after a few months here makes me wonder about loyalty.

    >>>Another fact is that Ex-CPT Reds are all what Thais call “Broken-hearted Lefts (ซ้ายอกหัก)”, which means leftists that were deceived by the Communist Party of China.

    Again, so? My point is that behind the scenes the US is backing yellow and the CPC is backing reds. And there really are people who still believe in communism and their loyalty is to China. This is why I say all the people running around jockeying for power are really deluded because they are just actors in a play being written in Washington and Beijing.

  27. 27 antipadshist 1 May 2009 at 12:15 pm

    @sammy

    perhaps you might be right, at least to some extent.

    because one of the surest method to figure out something is known as : “follow the money“. 😉

    it is not a big secret of US huge influence in Thai politics ever since after WWII, and gigantic piles of money poured into Thailand over the decades.

    now, with US totally bankrupt and in fact itself begging money from China ….

    Thailand has always been known as “prectical” – taking sides with the winner. its history shows many examples of that, like been ally of Japan in WWII, then switching the side to be a strong (THE main) ally of US in Indochina…

    however, it is may be not the only factor – or may be not the main – that everything what is happening here is because of power strugle between China and US.

  28. 28 antipadshist 1 May 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Suranand (Abhisit’s cousin) today on Bkk Post about “Withc hunt” :

    “Communist name-calling is a thing of the past. McCarthyism and witch-hunting must not be condoned. PM Abhisit must neither lead nor let the nation fall onto that demeaning path again.”

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/15953/we-must-not-let-witch-hunt-sidetrack-reconciliation

  29. 29 chinesethai 2 May 2009 at 10:16 pm

    sammy,

    The King once expressed his opinion that China is dangerous. Yes, I don’t have an argument with that. But that was back when China supported the CPT.

    THINGS HAVE CHANGED FOR DECADES.

    Do you think Princess Siridhorn, her father’s favourite, would be unwise enough to make friend with a country that is hostile to her father? She has built a home in China for years. A lot of people know that.

    Thaksin is friend of no one in particular. He was a friend of America when he dispatched Thai soldiers to Iraq (2 of whom were killed in a suicide bomb) and George W. Bush named Thailand a “Non-NATO Ally” publicly in 2003. Thaksin is also Myanmar’s friend, Cambodia’s friend, China’s friend…..whenever and wherever he finds he could reap benefits.

    China has slapped entry ban on Thaksin following Britain and Japan. That’s why you won’t hear of him in even Hong Kong again, do you?

    Surely, China is not backing who. But Sondhi Limthongkul does have special relation with high-ranking CPC officials. This is the fact.

    It is true that many ethnic Chinese live “Thai Style” but it doesn’t mean that they cut off all the bonds they have with China. In fact, they are proud that they are part of Chinese bloodline.

    Those Mainland-born Chinese that are running around with fresh Thai citizenship has got nothing to do with politics here. It’s just about corruption within some government and immigration agencies and Thai politicians.

    The U.S. is not as much popular in Thailand as in the past.

    I don’t think both US and China would favour either Reds or Yellows in particular. Both are competing for influence in Indo-China. And Thailand is obviously the most important countries compared to Myanmar, Lao, Cambodia, and Vietnam. For sure, China won’t support the Reds.

    Your point that USA and China are backing either side is unsubstantiated. And the belief that China cannot be trusted is old. It is USA, plus the usurping West, that is untrustworthy especially in PAD’s opinion.

  30. 30 maverick263 3 May 2009 at 12:32 am

    @ ct:

    as b/4, thx for postings, insight, analysis.

    u said it again & again:

    “The Thai society has been rotten to its core”

    u gave lots of examples.

    the one i liked the most was…

    “somebody” not visiting his mother for years — & as a reply: “well, in western society people don’t meet/care for parents for many years.”

    yes, an interesting challenge & an obscene reply.

    *…

    all this cpt-stuff… now ppl try to evoke zombies? as they’ve nothing else @ heart? @ct: ur pic was a bit too early right? by now indulgence in historic memes has become… another habit 😉

    & for newin etc: dear blogland readers, u don’t believe? better then… march the streets & suppport abhisit. as long as u can.

  31. 31 whoopla 3 May 2009 at 5:24 am

    @CT;
    reassuring to see that unbridled xenophobia is alive and kicking in developing Asia. And these monkeys you quote are proud to be Chinese, and you, chinesethai, you are so proud also?

    Is your pride the residue of a perversed soul?

    Shame it has to be a foreigner to remind nouveau-riche Thais that true development comes from knowing the difference between dignity and pride.

    The journey chosen to achieve either indicates a grasp for maturity, or more likely, a surrender to conformism.

  32. 32 sammy 3 May 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Chinesethai,

    I really enjoy reading your analysis on most topics but still have to disagree with you on this one.

    >>>The King once expressed his opinion that China is dangerous. Yes, I don’t have an argument with that. But that was back when China supported the CPT.

    I believe his words were “expansionist” and that he has not retracted them.

    >>>Do you think Princess Siridhorn, her father’s favourite, would be unwise enough to make friend with a country that is hostile to her father? She has built a home in China for years. A lot of people know that.

    I believe she studied in China, too. I think this is tactical diplomacy sending her there all the time; flattery, defensive and proactive wisdom of the King. The school curriculum says it all.

    >>>Thaksin is friend of no one in particular. whenever and wherever he finds he could reap benefits.

    Yes, its true Thaksin is friends with anyone when it suits him -good point- but TRT used to have a branch in China with close connections to CPC. The entry ban only came after Thaksin used Chinese soil to jump bail. I don’t think China had much choice, politically. So I don’t read much into that.

    >>>It is true that many ethnic Chinese live “Thai Style” but it doesn’t mean that they cut off all the bonds they have with China. In fact, they are proud that they are part of Chinese bloodline.

    Yes, like an Irish immigrant celebrating St. Patrick’s Day or something like that? But how do you explain third and fourth generation still speaking Chinese at home, things like that? That is not just pride it’s something more and it hints at loyalty to…what?

    >>>Those Mainland-born Chinese that are running around with fresh Thai citizenship has got nothing to do with politics here. It’s just about corruption within some government and immigration agencies and Thai politicians.

    I think it’s more than just corruption. I was once offered citizenship for 750,000 baht by someone in Government; that is corruption. But giving someone citizenship free because of sympathy or blood, that is something more than corruption.

    >>>The U.S. is not as much popular in Thailand as in the past.

    Judging by the lines of Thais in front of the US embassy I think you might be mistaken about that. Japanese invaded Thailand but are super popular in Thailand. So? Most Thai people really like America and Americans; only the Chinese seem to dislike them? Maybe this has something to do with US standing in the way of China’s expansionist desires, like in Korean, etc? Just a thought.

    >>>I don’t think both US and China would favour either Reds or Yellows in particular. Both are competing for influence in Indo-China. And Thailand is obviously the most important countries compared to Myanmar, Lao, Cambodia, and Vietnam. For sure, China won’t support the Reds.

    You may be right; there is no proof only inference on my part. But to deny China and US are fighting for influence in Thailand is just denial. And to think that they have not tried to influence or play a role in red and yellow is misguided. I take the inference all the way.

    >>>And the belief that China cannot be trusted is old.

    And not without good reason.

    >>>It is USA, plus the usurping West, that is untrustworthy especially in PAD’s opinion.

    PAD has its bank accounts in California. Why would that be if US is untrusted?

    Let’s just agree to disagree on this one.

  33. 33 antipadshist 3 May 2009 at 5:26 pm

    fresh updates about “commies”

    Claim that communist will rise again is an illusion
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/30/politics/politics_30101694.php

    Communism: a ghost from the past
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/30/politics/politics_30101692.php

  34. 34 sammy 4 May 2009 at 7:02 am

    To Chinese Thai and others

    Take a look at Nation website (Latest, photos, top left) photo number five of Red Shirts Leaders meeting in Chiang Mai and tell me about their hats.

    Regards

  35. 35 antipadshist 11 May 2009 at 6:22 pm

    TC

    read about “anus faced” Abhisit in comment in BP’s blog ! 😀
    (comment by Hagen von Tronje)

    http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2009/05/satit-and-media.html?showComment=1241927820000


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